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How to
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:06 pm
by Practical shooter
Hello guys,
I was wondering if yous can help. I'd like to own a live fire semi auto pistol, non coat hanger or longer barrel. Id like to keel it at home also. How would I go applying for this and what section would be applicable.
Thanks
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Re: How to
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:50 pm
by dromia
Section 7.3 Historic pistol, if you want to fire it then you will not be able to keep it at home it will need to be stored and shot at a nominated section 7.3 range and armoury.
If you do not want to fire it then it can be kept at home but not shot under section 7.1.
You will need to convince the powers that be that the firearm is of some historic significance.
Plenty of examples of the type on here if you search and the Home Office are the people to get chapter and verse on the legislation.
Re: How to
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:29 pm
by Practical shooter
Thank your dromia for the information. I'll have a look and see what type of pistols are coverd. Id like something from ww2 as that period of development really interests me
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Re: How to
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:34 pm
by AL8
Re: How to
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:45 pm
by Practical shooter
Thank you, that is very helpful
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Re: How to
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:34 pm
by bradaz11
bit late I know, but hey...
basically, If it's an obsolete calibre and you have no intentions of firing it, you can have it at home on your desk, shelf etc. sec58 is the term to search. essentially it is rimfire, original percussion, teat or pinfire chamberings. note 44 russian, 11mm french and a few others are no longer on the obsolete list. if it's a centrefire pistol, it's not going to be sec58 for much longer.
if you want something a bit more modern, you have section 7.1 which is a live gun kept at home, but you cannot ever shoot it, or have ammo of that caliber at home. and the gun has to be locked up, like your sec1's while you aren't 'researching ' it. it also can't be .22, 32acp, 45acp, 38/357 or 9mm I think.The particular gun must also have been made before 1919. Things like webley 455 revolvers meet this. it also needs to meet one of the 4 requirements for section 7. historically significant, rarity, aesthetic quality or technical interest (unique or unusual mechanism)
if you want to be able to shoot it, that's 7.3 and then it has to live at a heritage site, and you and only you are allowed to handle it at a closed off range, sometimes with other 7.3 shooters, but no plain sec1 only shooters. often you can handle / clean / fondle it in a secure room too, so not to tie up their range time, but it can't go home with you ever. Again it has conditions, has to be one of the following, particular gun made before 1919 (although I have seen some paperwork that says 1939), historically significant, rarity, aesthetic quality or technical interest (unique or unusual mechanism).
note the 1st one, if it is made in 1915 then it doesn't matter about historically significant or any other criteria, just the age alone qualifies it.
Re: How to
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:41 pm
by dromia
Pre 1915 pistols are deemed to be of historical significance hence the date line. I suppose it had to be drawn somewhere and was affected by the HBSA and others submissions at the time. I did some work on it at then but my memory has lost the details of it but at least the HBSA had some sway with the HO at the time and this section 7 was the outcome.
All of my pistols were eligible for section 7.3 and were transferred and kept at a section 7.3 armoury range.
Try as I might I just could not get off on the section 7.3 way of shooting, it was an encumbrance and an insult too far for me so I gave up on Heritage pistol shooting finally selling my collection to a section 5 dealer a few years ago.
I kept one of my Webleys on section 7.1 and at least I can fondle it at my convenience.
Re: How to
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:55 pm
by bradaz11
i think the trick is finding a range that doesn't treat you like a child. luckily I have that
Re: How to
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:51 pm
by lovemunkey187
bradaz11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:34 pm
bit late I know, but hey...
basically, If it's an obsolete calibre and you have no intentions of firing it, you can have it at home on your desk, shelf etc. sec58 is the term to search. essentially it is rimfire, original percussion, teat or pinfire chamberings. note 44 russian, 11mm french and a few others are no longer on the obsolete list. if it's a centrefire pistol, it's not going to be sec58 for much longer.
if you want something a bit more modern, you have section 7.1 which is a live gun kept at home, but you cannot ever shoot it, or have ammo of that caliber at home. and the gun has to be locked up, like your sec1's while you aren't 'researching ' it. it also can't be .22, 32acp, 45acp, 38/357 or 9mm I think.The particular gun must also have been made before 1919. Things like webley 455 revolvers meet this. it also needs to meet one of the 4 requirements for section 7. historically significant, rarity, aesthetic quality or technical interest (unique or unusual mechanism)
if you want to be able to shoot it, that's 7.3 and then it has to live at a heritage site, and you and only you are allowed to handle it at a closed off range, sometimes with other 7.3 shooters, but no plain sec1 only shooters. often you can handle / clean / fondle it in a secure room too, so not to tie up their range time, but it can't go home with you ever. Again it has conditions, has to be one of the following, particular gun made before 1919 (although I have seen some paperwork that says 1939), historically significant, rarity, aesthetic quality or technical interest (unique or unusual mechanism).
note the 1st one, if it is made in 1915 then it doesn't matter about historically significant or any other criteria, just the age alone qualifies it.
Thank you for summing up the rules. It's answered a few questions I had, and some I didn't know I had.
bradaz11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:55 pm
i think the trick is finding a range that doesn't treat you like a child. luckily I have that
Is there a list of 7.3 ranges anywhere on this site?
Re: How to
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:45 pm
by GeeRam
lovemunkey187 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:51 pm
Is there a list of 7.3 ranges anywhere on this site?
There's one here.
https://hbsa-uk.org/hbsa-what-we-do/hbs ... tol-sites/
