Fin Sniper, what are they worth?

[ovenpaa]

This has come in amongst some other rifles and I have no real feeling for such things so can anyone aid me with a sensible thought as to the value?

The gun itself is pretty enough, a long travel on the trigger but nice when it gets there, the 'scope and bracket are going to be reproductions and the bore is not the best I have seen however I am assured it shoots well.

Thoughts anyone?

[snayperskaya]

That is a 1944 Tikkakosi (Tikka) barrelled M91/30 in what appears to be a very nice two-piece Finnish "pot-belly" stock.The small "t" next to the SA stamp t stands for Taisteluvalinehallinto (Ordnance Department).They were produced from '43 to '44.

It would have been quite a collectable rifle......until someone stuck a scope on it and wiped out any real collectable value.Had it been as is and unscoped I'd have been interested myself.A real shame it's been messed with.I would be interested to know what the date stamp on the underside of the rear tang is, there is most likely an arsenal stamp there as well unless it is a N.E.W receiver that has been used.

Without seeing the bore etc I'd say around £600 for someone that wants a scoped Mosin as a shooter without having to tat about themselves, that said I've seen two reproduction/fake Soviet 91/30 PU "snipers" that were both north of £1500 and at the other end of the scale a very nice genuine arsenal-matched PU sniper that was up for £650.....prices are all over the place and there are a lot of overpriced Mosins about at the moment, mainly repro/fake snipers and M44 carbines, although there are some diamonds in the rough.

[snayperskaya]

One other thought.....I'd like to know how they got a PU base to fit correctly on a hex low wall receiver!!!???, all genuine PU snipers, regardless of where they were made, were built on high wall receivers.

As a side note.......if anyone sees a "genuine Soviet PU sniper" dated prior to 1942 leave it alone as it is a repro/fake, same with any Izhevsk PE/PEM sniper as Izhevsk didn't produce any sniper rifles with any flavour of scope before '42.

[WelshShooter]

Yep, nothing really to add to Snayperskaya's post. These rifles were not normally scoped so it's highly likely this was retrofitted. In terms of unique selling point, these barrels were made with a groove diameter of .3095" so will shoot .308" and .311" projectiles OK!* You'll struggle to sell this to a collector but you'll find a market for selling it as an "accurate" Mosin Nagant (sorry Snayperskaya!).

A good condition Finn M91 would probably fetch you around £500-600 as that seemed to be the going rate when I was looking for my Finnish Mosina a few years ago. I have no idea what it would be worth with the scope.

*My Finnish M24 bore has the same groove diameter and rifling is decent, not amazing near the bore. It shoots 30cal Lapua Scenar's from 155gr up to 185gr without issue and quite accurately if I say so myself.

[snayperskaya]

Yep, nothing really to add to Snayperskaya's post. These rifles were not normally scoped so it's highly likely this was retrofitted. In terms of unique selling point, these barrels were made with a groove diameter of .3095" so will shoot .308" and .311" projectiles OK!* You'll struggle to sell this to a collector but you'll find a market for selling it as an "accurate" Mosin Nagant (sorry Snayperskaya!).

A good condition Finn M91 would probably fetch you around £500-600 as that seemed to be the going rate when I was looking for my Finnish Mosina a few years ago. I have no idea what it would be worth with the scope.

*My Finnish M24 bore has the same groove diameter and rifling is decent, not amazing near the bore. It shoots 30cal Lapua Scenar's from 155gr up to 185gr without issue and quite accurately if I say so myself.

Definitely retrofitted, I don't know if you've seen this before but the article linked below gives an insight into how few captured PU sniper rifles and scopes went through official channels and actually made it into the Finnish military inventory.....a genuine Finnish-captured Mosin sniper would be a very, very rare rifle indeed and as pointed out in the article the vast majority that were captured were used as-is by the units that captured them or they were spirited away!.The Finns built some M39/43 sniper rifles with a German Ajack scope but only 500 were ever produced and they are probably the rarest Mosin variant out there.

An excellent site for anyone with an interest in the Finnish military from 1918 to 1945.......

https://jaegerplatoon.net/RIFLES7.htm

[Alpha1]

Thanks for the link interesting.
The one and only 91-30 Nagant I have owned I bought from one of our forum members a life time ago. I have owned all of the carbines at one time or another.
I fitted the 91-30 with a Darrel none gunsmith mount and a long eye relief scope. I had great fun with it for several years then like a fool I sold the rifle for £150. I sold the mount to Adam (Dromia)
I quite fancy another one but the silly prices people ask for them puts me off.

[snayperskaya]

Come on Alpha.....it's Mosin, not "Nagant"!!!

Don't make me get the "Mosin Weasel"

In all seriousness Mosin prices are, as I said previously, all over the place.A nice genuine arsenal-matched PU sniper with a good bore etc is worth around the £1200, whether it's a Tula or Izhevsk as there really isn't any difference despite what some folks will tell you.....usually those selling a Tula!.

Problem is there are that many overpriced snipers that are either misrepresented as genuine or listed as genuine when they aren't because the seller doesn't know themselves that unless folks do their research before buying they can easily end up buying something that it isn't.

A quick look on Guntrader/Gunstar will show some of the overpriced tat that's out there that been messed about with or deliberately misreprented , maybe folks will think I'm I'm being harsh but that's how I feel as a Mosin collector.

[GeeRam]

Problem is there are that many overpriced snipers that are either misrepresented as genuine or listed as genuine when they aren't because the seller doesn't know themselves that unless folks do their research before buying they can easily end up buying something that it isn't.

A quick look on Guntrader/Gunstar will show some of the overpriced tat that's out there that been messed about with or deliberately misreprented , maybe folks will think I'm I'm being harsh but that's how I feel as a Mosin collector.

If you think that's bad don't delve into the world of K98k snipers

[snayperskaya]

Problem is there are that many overpriced snipers that are either misrepresented as genuine or listed as genuine when they aren't because the seller doesn't know themselves that unless folks do their research before buying they can easily end up buying something that it isn't.

A quick look on Guntrader/Gunstar will show some of the overpriced tat that's out there that been messed about with or deliberately misreprented , maybe folks will think I'm I'm being harsh but that's how I feel as a Mosin collector.

If you think that's bad don't delve into the world of K98k snipers

I've seen the K98k topics on Gunboards, a real minefield with all those fake stamps that are available on the 'net!.

[snayperskaya]

I have owned all of the carbines at one time or another.

M1907 carbine?, 1895 Gendarmerie carbine?.......

If one were to own an example of every observed variant of Mosin carbine from all nations it would total 54 rifles!

Definitive list of every Mosin model and variation by nation here.....

https://web.archive.org/web/20200129160 ... _mosin.asp