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Showing fac for powder?

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:45 pm
by mag41uk
Is this a requirement in law now?

Re: Showing fac for powder?

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:03 pm
by Gazza
Last time I bought powder (nitro) my ticket was in for variation but they still sold it to me.

Re: Showing fac for powder?

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:56 pm
by Geek
Not that I was aware.

Re: Showing fac for powder?

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:22 pm
by ukrifleman
mag41uk wrote:Is this a requirement in law now?
For primers yes, for nitro powder no.

Re: Showing fac for powder?

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:08 pm
by channel12
If you were some random bloke walking in the shop I can understand a degree of caution by the gun shop.

Re: Showing fac for powder?

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:15 pm
by Alpha1
I think most Registered Firearms dealers do this now especially if you are not known to them. I get my powders from two sources I have dealt with them for years they don't all ways ask for my certificate. It's not a legal requirement more a cautionary measure. I don't have a problem showing my certificate when buying powder or primers.

Re: Showing fac for powder?

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:06 am
by rox
mag41uk wrote:Is this a requirement in law now?
Unless you have an explosives license, it is your FAC/RFD/Shotgun license etc that exempts you from requiring one in order to acquire smokeless powder.
Below extract from 2014 regs, so check for updates before depending on this!

SCHEDULE 2
Regulation 5(3)(a)
EXPLOSIVES NOT REQUIRING AN EXPLOSIVES CERTIFICATE

5. The explosive substance smokeless powder which is—
(b) acquired by a person who either is registered as a firearms dealer under section 33 of the Firearms Act 1968(b) or holds
(i) a permit granted under section 7 of that Act (c);
(ii) a firearms certificate granted under section 27 of that Act(d);
(iii) a shotgun certificate granted under section 28 of that Act(e); or
(iv) a permit granted under section 17 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988(f).

Re: Showing fac for powder?

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:01 am
by Lancs Lad
Alpha1 wrote:I think most Registered Firearms dealers do this now especially if you are not known to them. I get my powders from two sources I have dealt with them for years they don't all ways ask for my certificate. It's not a legal requirement more a cautionary measure. I don't have a problem showing my certificate when buying powder or primers.
I also have no issue with showing my FAC for the purchase of powder. In fact, if I know that I'll be visiting a gun shop in the first place then I will always carry my ticket with me quite simply because all RFD's are different in that respect.

:flag13: LL

Re: Showing fac for powder?

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:26 pm
by Andy632
Lancs Lad wrote:
Alpha1 wrote:I think most Registered Firearms dealers do this now especially if you are not known to them. I get my powders from two sources I have dealt with them for years they don't all ways ask for my certificate. It's not a legal requirement more a cautionary measure. I don't have a problem showing my certificate when buying powder or primers.
I also have no issue with showing my FAC for the purchase of powder. In fact, if I know that I'll be visiting a gun shop in the first place then I will always carry my ticket with me quite simply because all RFD's are different in that respect.

:flag13: LL
I've got photos of my certificates on my phone which I'm more likely to carry most places I go.

Re: Showing fac for powder?

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:21 pm
by mag41uk
rox wrote:
mag41uk wrote:Is this a requirement in law now?
Unless you have an explosives license, it is your FAC/RFD/Shotgun license etc that exempts you from requiring one in order to acquire smokeless powder.
Below extract from 2014 regs, so check for updates before depending on this!

SCHEDULE 2
Regulation 5(3)(a)
EXPLOSIVES NOT REQUIRING AN EXPLOSIVES CERTIFICATE

5. The explosive substance smokeless powder which is—
(b) acquired by a person who either is registered as a firearms dealer under section 33 of the Firearms Act 1968(b) or holds
(i) a permit granted under section 7 of that Act (c);
(ii) a firearms certificate granted under section 27 of that Act(d);
(iii) a shotgun certificate granted under section 28 of that Act(e); or
(iv) a permit granted under section 17 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988(f).
Thanks for that.