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Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:57 am**

Are these obsolete calibre ?

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:23 am**

Depends on the calibre.

Obsolete calibre refers to the calibre not the firearm.

If you are referring to the 38 S&W Enfield revolver with the trigger spur removed then no, 38 S&W is not an obsolete calibre. If the pistol is of demonstrable historic significance then it could be section 7.1 or 7.3.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:37 am**

guy says its a 380 ????

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:43 am**

He needs to be more specific about the calibre and the pistol, and you need to be certain. Such vagueness is dubious in itself, there will no doubt be markings on the pistol, detailed photographs would be a great help. Section 5 offences are not treated lightly.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:46 pm**

Dellboy wrote:guy says its a 380 ????

The .38 No2 revolver used what the British called the .380 Revolver cartridge, which as Dromia says is more or less identical to the .38 S&W still available so not an obsolete calibre.
The original Mk I was a double/single action with a hammer spur. The design was modified in 1938 become the Mk I* without the spur and made as double-action only. One reason for removing the spur is said to be to supposedly reduce it snagging on equipment. The main reason was that in action it was most likely to be used as double-action due to the necessity for rapid fire. Mk I* was issued widely, not just to tank crews, however the term 'Tanker' is commonly used in the same way as the No5 rifle is termed the 'Jungle Carbine'

Donald

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:49 pm**

As Donald said, the British referred to the caliber of the Enfield as .380 Revolver.

Posted: **Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:14 am**

Is it on here?
(A section from the Obsolete Calibre List)

Home Office Guidance to Firearms Law V20 - Appendix 5 wrote: .360 Gibbs No.4 (also known as the .380 Gibbs No. 4)
.38/35 Stevens Everlasting (D)
.38/40 Ballard Everlasting (D)
241 Guide on Firearms Licensing Law
.38/40 Remington-Hepburn (D)
.38/45 Bullard (D)
.38/70 Winchester (D)
.38/56 Winchester (D)
.38/90 Winchester (B)
.380 Black Powder Express (also known as the .380-21/4 Rigby and .360-21/4) (H)
.380 Long Rifle (NB recommended for section 58(2) in rifles only) (H)

Also;

NABIS Gun Crime Antique Firearms, V1.0, November 2015 wrote: 1.5. Weapons that do no benefit from antique classification
The Home Office guide also lists the following weapons as being modern and not benefiting from antique classification (please note this is not an exhaustive list):
* shotguns and smooth-bored guns, including shot pistols, chambered for standard shotgun cartridges, .22 inch, .23 inch, 6mm and 9mm rimfire cartridges unless otherwise specified in the list of obsolete shotgun chamberings in Appendix 5 of the Home Office guide.
* rifles and handguns chambered for .22 inch, .23 inch, 6mm or 9mm rimfire ammunition
* revolvers, single-shot pistols and self-loading pistols which are chambered for, and will accept, centrefire cartridges of the type .25, .30, .32, .38, .380, .44, .45, .450, .455 and .476 inch, or their metric equivalents including 6.35mm, 7.62mm, 7.63mm, 7.65mm, 8mm and 9mm, unless otherwise specified in the list at Appendix 5
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