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EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:20 pm
by spikedueller
Just had a Worldwide arms catalogue through the post and on the cover is a summary on the new laws to be implemented on 8th April 2016.
Machine guns to have no moving parts
Magazines permanently welded in place
Semi auto pistols having their slides permanently fixed
Revolvers having their cylinders permanently fixed
Further details at:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6110_en.htm
If you were hovering about the In/Out decision then consider how quickly they passed this through, did our Government stand up for us? What next ? More harmonisation of firearms legislation? Imagine the nightmare if they imposed the "military calibre" ban here to harmonise us with the French.
As shooters we can debate the pros/cons and the actual affect this will have on criminal activity but to no avail when dictated to by the state of Europe
I for one am definitely in the get us out camp.
Mike
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:26 pm
by snayperskaya
What about existing deacs?, will it mean the price of field-strippable/dry firing mgs will go through the roof or will the bottom drop out of the market completely?.
Agree the quicker we get out the better
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:41 pm
by GeeRam
snayperskaya wrote:What about existing deacs?, will it mean the price of field-strippable/dry firing mgs will go through the roof or will the bottom drop out of the market completely?.
Quite
(he says thinking about the pre-95 spec MP40 and 3 x pre-95 spec Thompsons sitting in my loft that are now either scrap or worth a bloody fortune
)
snayperskaya wrote:
Agree the quicker we get out the better
Indeed.
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:57 pm
by saddler
spikedueller wrote:
Imagine the nightmare if they imposed the "military calibre" ban here to harmonise us with the French.
That'll be the non-existant French military caliber ban I expect?
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:58 pm
by artiglio
Knowing the eu / uk powersthat be,my guess would be, existing deacts would be exempt UNTIL ownership changed, so like proof marks,making it illegal to sell a firearm without a current deactivation certificate. It would be seen as a way of getting maximum restrictions through with " minimal " backlash, existing owners would not see their possessions butchered further and new owners knowing what they are getting. They'll know that the existing UK deacts present such little if any danger that such a move has negligible risk.
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:58 pm
by 69chris
and then you read junk like this.......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35690189
how can they still tar us with the same brush ?????? morons spring to mind !!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:26 am
by safetyfirst
Don't count on an out vote to save us, the out campaign have got 1% of the funding and this vote will be won and lost on the money people spend on buying our opinions.
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:03 am
by Pete
Spikdueller, your link referred only to a "proposal" dated Nov last year, not a finalised policy..................they're still arguing about what to do.
Pete
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:08 am
by zanes
Pete wrote:Spikdueller, your link referred only to a "proposal" dated Nov last year, not a finalised policy..................they're still arguing about what to do.
Pete
+1. So far Worldwide Arms (who may have a slight conflict of interest here....) are the only source I've seen quoted as to these new proposals being enshrined in law* from early April. Deactivated Weapons Association are still soliciting objections etc.
Bit gutted if they do come to pass as I'd always half fancied a deac MP-40, but there again it'd be a big chunk of cash to put into what (for me) would be effectively an ornament/novelty. Sigh.
*It's an EU directive, not law. It'll be up to the member states to make up their own mind how to implement it (but you can bet the UK would implement it bell book and candle.
Edit: May have mis-spoke here, DWS-UK have this:
As many customers will know, from April 8th 2016, the EU is imposing a new deactivation standard on all Member States including the UK. The new deactivation requirements are poorly thought out, difficult to understand, difficul to implement and in some cases, more severe than our present UK standards. We'd like to be professional in communicating our opinions on the EU standard, but we can't; it has been conceived by morons who have little technical knowledge and even less real understanding of firearms and how to effectively deactivate them.
There is a great deal of mis-information out there at present (particularly on social media) suggesting that the new standard requires everything to be welded solid. This is not the case for the majority of firearms with the important exception of light, medium and heavy machine guns which will now need to be welded up with no moving parts or dry fire action. Pistols and revolvers are not going to be welded solid, but will have to be 'captivated' meaning that they will not be able to be stripped down, but will still cock and dry fire. The other biggest change is that all magazines will have to welded in place. None of these changes are desirable, but the UK Government is adamant that the EU deactivation standard will be law and must be followed.
Importantly, what you own currently (and as of 8th April) does not need to be re-deactivated unless you sell or transfer it. However, from our perspective everything we have in stock on 8th April will have to be re-deactivated before we can offer it for sale.
This suggests to me that the bottom will fall out of the pre-95 market in terms of resale value, but it would not mean that those with pre-95 collections would need to submit for re-proof.
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:22 am
by HH1
zanes wrote:
Importantly, what you own currently (and as of 8th April) does not need to be re-deactivated unless you sell or transfer it. However, from our perspective everything we have in stock on 8th April will have to be re-deactivated before we can offer it for sale.
This suggests to me that the bottom will fall out of the pre-95 market in terms of resale value, but it would not mean that those with pre-95 collections would need to submit for re-proof.[/quote]
HH1 wrote: So in real terms, pre-95 de-acts are only going to be worth what a newly (8/4/2016 >) deactivated version can be sold for.