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The NSRA guidance document on "downloading" ammunition.

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:41 am
by Mike95
I know this topic has been discussed at length in earlier posts, but trawling through the net to find the origin of all this, I came across the NSRA Shooting Council report of March 2015. Apparently the guidance document was prepared by Dr Paul Holdstock who appears to be the NSRA rep for Lancashire. The only shooting connection I could find for Dr Holdstock was as a member of the Welsh Airgun shooters. I just wondered what experience Dr Holdstock has in reloading? This guidance document is still causing grief in various clubs. Does anyone know the gentleman?

Mike95

Re: The NSRA guidance document on "downloading" ammunition.

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:54 pm
by dodgyrog
The NSRA Board appointed him! His face obviously fits.
He took no input that I'm aware of from those who reload for indoor ranges.
The Council was presented with a fait accompli and had no input to the document.
I was at the meeting and complained bitterly at the way the matter was handled but to no avail.
The bottom line is the Shooting Council has NO power in the running of the NSRA and are regarded as an unnecessary encumbrance by the Board and especially the Chief Exec.

Re: The NSRA guidance document on "downloading" ammunition.

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:06 pm
by Robert303
Do you have a link to the document?

Re: The NSRA guidance document on "downloading" ammunition.

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:48 pm
by Mike95
Link to the Shooting Council report of March 2015...full of interesting points!

http://www.ctsa.org.uk/Shooting%20Counc ... -03-15.pdf

I do not have a working link to the handloading statement...it is a pdf file which you will find if you google "nsra handloading statement of practice".

I am just hoping that Dr Holdstock is an experienced reloader and not an experienced airgunner.

Mike95

Re: The NSRA guidance document on "downloading" ammunition.

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:01 pm
by dromia
If Dr Holdstock is an experienced handloader then it must have been at the knee of Guy Fawkes as that useless document he produced clearly shows he knows as much about the subject as my arse knows about snipe shooting.

The best thing that anyone can do with document other than publicly burning it as an offence to handloaders, shooters and gunowners is ignore it.

Why on earth would a smallbore organisation try and make up guidance on a subject they clearly know absolutely nothing about, that in itself is irresponsible in the extreme.

Re: The NSRA guidance document on "downloading" ammunition.

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:28 pm
by karen
Mike95 wrote:Link to the Shooting Council report of March 2015...full of interesting points!

http://www.ctsa.org.uk/Shooting%20Counc ... -03-15.pdf
Hmmmm what an interesting way of electing committees - hold an election where just over half the voters actually bother to return the forms then just appoint the people who didn't get elected to the committees anyway!

Usually there are reasons that people get low numbers of votes but what does it matter if your mates are going to appoint you anyway!

Unfortunately the NSRA will go nowhere whilst certain people are in charge :bad:

Re: The NSRA guidance document on "downloading" ammunition.

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:40 pm
by martin2sheds
Robert303 wrote:Do you have a link to the document?
http://www.nsra.co.uk/index.php/home/re ... f-practice

Re: The NSRA guidance document on "downloading" ammunition.

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:02 pm
by Robert303
Thanks for this. Interesting document.

Re: The NSRA guidance document on "downloading" ammunition.

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:28 pm
by Kungfugerbil
Am I missing something? Why are the Smallbore association publishing documents about .308 loads, black powder and centrefire primers?

It should be more like:

[start]

NSRA guidance on hand loading

1. We don't.

[end]

Re: The NSRA guidance document on "downloading" ammunition.

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:31 am
by Robert303
I suspect that it is to do with their role in certifying ranges. I have just got our range certs from the NRA which limits our indoor range to 530m/s or 280 Joules for rifles and 520 m/s or 645 Joules for Pistols. However the NSRA document is almost a long winded way of saying there are few ways to download, for example, a Lee Enfield No 4 for use on an indoor range.