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Hi

does any one know if you are required to producethe certifcate before shooting in the Phoenix at Bisley ?
I hadnt given it a thought until now , mine is at my club somewhere with someone I presume as they never send them out once you have done the required test each year .

Thanks Dave

You don't mean Range Safety Certificate...you mean Shooter Certificationn Card.

Yes you have to produce it to get your squading cards/score sheets.

No point turning up without it I am afraid,

DM

Yes thats the one Robin . Thanks for the info DM .
I will have to start chasing the club again , I dont know why they just cant leave them in the club house for members to collect , trouble is now know one will know where they are . I only need it when I go to one of the FB shoots which isnt very often due to finances .
I should have thought about it sooner .

Dave

ps what happens about non club members or gallery rifle shooters who dont normaly shoot on MOD ranges who want to take part at Bisley ?

Dave 101 wrote:Yes thats the one Robin . Thanks for the info DM .
I will have to start chasing the club again , I dont know why they just cant leave them in the club house for members to collect , trouble is now know one will know where they are . I only need it when I go to one of the FB shoots which isnt very often due to finances .
I should have thought about it sooner .

Dave

ps what happens about non club members or gallery rifle shooters who dont normaly shoot on MOD ranges who want to take part at Bisley ?

They cannot shoot on any military range (that includes Bisley) without their certificate of competency. Their club Chairman will have to issue them with one (if he/she thinks they are, indeed, competent) - there is an audit trail for the NRA to check to ensure that the certificates are issued in a genuine manner and that the shooter has had appropriate training.

As above but there are a couple of exemptions that clearly need to be written in when you think about it,

The first is the public days (I know they have a proper name but can not remember it) when members of the public come and have a go.

The second is new members who are undergoing training and are yet to be signed off as safe, also would be included any current member who already has a safety cert in one discipline but then decides to have a go at something else.

And lastly TV presenters who appear to be able to do what they want with whatever they want. Obviously that is not true, just a dummy throwing exercise form someone who does not understand the rules.

DM

I will also say, and I don't think it is any secret, that more than one club chairman has signed shooters off as competent in disciplines that they have not tested that shooter as competent in, nor have they put in place any kind of audit trail to suggest that such a process has been carried out.
I have personally seen a person turn up on a firing point with a sec 1 shotgun who openly admitted that they had never shot the thing and needed help in loading it. Clearly if the certificates were being implemented correctly that situation should never arise.
Goodness knows what would happen to the club chairman and the club should an accident occur and they end up in court having to account for their actions. The club members might think him/her a good old boy for sticking a finger up and signing everybody off on everything but I doubt that they have really considered the possible effects on their club in the long run. Unfortunately my own chairman has thought this through all to well and has made sure that his pension is water tight as far as our activities are concerned.
It is worth remembering that this is not a situation that the NRA or NSC created, it was the organisation that controls the MOD ranges. There may be those that say that the NRA did not do enough to fight it, but at least we can still shoot most things as we did before,

DM

My SCC's have always been signed by people I have never met and at best only seen at an AGM. Having said that I am sure the process in place is such that the person who puts my SCC forward to be signed knows who I am and is happy for me to own one and believes I will shoot accordingly. Luckily I am yet to witness shooting by an SCC holder that is of serious concern.

HME is another thing completely............ :(

Our club Chairman does it entirely correctly and interviews each person before issuing the certificate. He records any evidence produced and records any questions asked and the shooters reply. I have no issues whatsoever with the way that he deals with it. At the end of the day it is his signature that goes on the certficate. That's not to say that I don't know of clubs where it would appear that certificates are issued willy nilly.

The RCO Trainer/Assessors were going to audit clubs, in fact I was given the name of a couple! Nothing subsequently happened. I guess there is two possible reasons
1/ Phyllis didn't think I'd do a good job
2/ Nobody has been audited
Either way, it is an unacceptable situation.