question for a rfd or someone who is up to date

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I fancy a mosin nagant and have a spare slot for a 7.62/308. Some rfds are saying they can't sell to me but others say they can.who is correct as I don't want to buy one and have difficulty sourcing rounds.Thanks

[saddler]

The slot is correct - all bases covered

Anyone that says otherwise should be stacking beans in Lidl (as long as they can persuade a responsible adult to fill in the application form for them)

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Thanks saddler.one was Henry kranks .you would expect them to know better

[Daryll]

I'm not an RFD, but IMHO I would say no....

Although the MN is 7.62mm calibre, "7.62 / 308" is generally accepted as the NATO 7.62x51 round which is interchangeable with the civi .308.

7.62x54R is a completely different beast....

It would be like having a 5.56x45 / .223 slot and buying a 22-250... same bullet dimensions, completely different calibre...

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But is it not still a 7.62 ultimately

[saddler]

I'm not an RFD, but IMHO I would say no....

Although the MN is 7.62mm calibre, "7.62 / 308" is generally accepted as the NATO 7.62x51 round which is interchangeable with the civi .308.

...or NOT according to SAAMI & others!
Specific warnings abound to stop people mixing the two....as they operate at different pressures & have different parameters

7.62x54R is a completely different beast....

It would be like having a 5.56x45 / .223 slot and buying a 22-250... same bullet dimensions, completely different calibre...

...or NOT: a .22 centre-fire slot WOULD allow purchase of a .22-250, a .222, a .220, etc. - BUT in your example the 5.56x45/.223 option you gave limits to EITHER"a"/OR"b": one of two choices

7.62 / .308 - does NOT restrict the chamber size/length = so EITHER "a" /OR "b" in this case = A 7.62 cal. rifle OR a .308 cal. rifle: The Firearms Act stipulates CALIBER not CHAMBERING - so ANY rifle in EITHER of the above CALIBERS = good to go

As to Kranks. I still have a John Longstaff catalogue - save for catching the wrong flight, he knew what he was doing...the same cannot be said for the present management...

Irrespective of what THE FACTORIES that MAKE/DESIGN the projectiles choose to call them - Kranks call bullets "bulletHEADS" - no wonder the UK is seen by US firms as backwards idiots at times

[poll007]

I personally would make sure your fac states 7.62×54r if you want to get a nagant.

I just got my licence in and wasn't even allowed to have 7.62×51/.308 instead they made me use 2 separate slots one for each.
On top of that I also have 7.62×54r, 7.5×55 and 7.5×54 on my ticket which are all the same size in terms of bullet but the police (in all areas I know of) force you to state the cartridge, not just the calibre/diameter of bullet

Technically you should only need to specify the bullet size, but as you've said, many people won't sell the rifle/ammo to you unless your slot specify the cartridge. (And if you ever get stopes by the police or got a check from a fao you could be in for a lot of trouble)

[Robert303]

If there is any doubt ask the Home Office the address is
Firearms@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk

Get a reply from them. If it's the one you want have them put it in writing. If they fail to reply or prevaricate please publish the reply on this thread.
We PAY their salaries they make and intrepret the law so let's get CLEAR guidance.

I suspect that it should be the FULL description of the 'Round of Ammunition' when buying ammo, but the calibre when buying the rifle. That was certainly the intention a few years ago after someone got off various firearms charges for having 7.62 x 25 pistol ammo but had 7.62 on his FAC for a Semi Auto FAN.
With all the other ammo probs such as soft nose / ballistic tip / I'm not surprised RFDs are cautious.
Some forces are reasonable with the common overlaps 308/7.62 38spl/357 / 44/ .45 for Ruger old armies but unless we go to a class system I think there will be more of the calibre x length as a minimum ammo description ie 9x19 for 9mm Nato / 9mm Luger / 9mm Parabellum / 9mm Pb

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I'll contact French st tomorrow but I'll not put in for a variation.ill just pick up a enfield instead

[bradaz11]

I personally would make sure your fac states 7.62×54r if you want to get a nagant.

I just got my licence in and wasn't even allowed to have 7.62×51/.308 instead they made me use 2 separate slots one for each.
On top of that I also have 7.62×54r, 7.5×55 and 7.5×54 on my ticket which are all the same size in terms of bullet but the police (in all areas I know of) force you to state the cartridge, not just the calibre/diameter of bullet

Technically you should only need to specify the bullet size, but as you've said, many people won't sell the rifle/ammo to you unless your slot specify the cartridge. (And if you ever get stopes by the police or got a check from a fao you could be in for a lot of trouble)

Well i have 7.5 on my ticket. Which i think you'll find is the calibre not a cartridge