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I see somebody has had the draconian five years for Sec 5 Pistol ownership. Story..

Got me thinking, was this sentence justified? It looks like a piece of crap and it may have actually been a sec 58 Antique. Attempting to check on the Home office exempt list is confusing.

Bottom line, is it safe for any of us to collect stuff like this?

Seems .442 might be on the list of obsolete calibres....


Current 2015 Guidance PDF Link.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... aw_v13.pdf

I think it depends on the owner's reason for "carrying" it ? My understanding is that legal items can be deemed in the eyes of the law as a weapons by intention.

Suppose so Froggy..I carry a Swiss Army knife which is normally legal, but I suppose could be classed as an offensive weapon if the Police have a mind to infer.

25Pdr wrote:Suppose so Froggy..I carry a Swiss Army knife which is normally legal, but I suppose could be classed as an offensive weapon if the Police have a mind to infer.

A folding ( ie no lock ) sub 3" pocket knife is specifically exempted.

The only way it would be illegal is if you stated it was for self defense or use as a weapon when asked.

A friend bought a Spyderco specifically designed as a "UK legal" pen knife but it was still seized by some customs retard

Antiques are legal provided they're possessed as a "curiosity or ornament". Presumably matey boy didn't have it as either of those.

It's a very brief report obviously based on a police press release, so it's unbalanced and the full story isn't present. Still, the jury convicted him.

I think we all know there's more to this story, otherwise an armed response unit wouldn't have stopped the car. An armed response unit obviously need to be alerted and scrambled, I doubt they're driving around in a van sniffing for guns. Though, saying that...

[Sniff], [Sniff] "There," [Sniff] "metal, oil... and," [Sniff] "the residue of a century old brass cartridge. I'd say that was a .442 Webley," [Sniff] "gate loading, crack on the right side of the grip."

"What colour is it, Pete?"

"Blac- well how the hell do I know that?"

He was a wrong 'un. No doubt being watched and then the stop no doubt as he was on his way for something nefarious. Op Trident, BME gang related crime. I'll shed no tears for this toe rag, nor should anyone here. This miscreant is one of the reasons your hobby/sport/past time is so restricted.

As for a pocket knife, s139 Criminal Justice Act 1988, provides exemption from needing a good reason to have in a public place, a folding pocket knife, with a cutting edge less than 3 inches. R v Harris 1991 dictates that the folding knife needs to be non locking.

The Spyderco knife mentioned by Yves above was specifically designed by Sal Glesser, the CEO of Spyderco and members of the British Blades forum. The first 100 Spyderco United Kingdom Pen Knives (UKPK) had the back springs engraved "UKPK - Design Team" and were offered to those responsible for the development at a discounted price. Mine sits in my cabinet, with a "working model" clipped in my jeans.

Unfortunately, its complete idiots like this that will, in all likleyhood see Se58(2) adjusted and place all early antique cartridge firearms on Sec7

I think it's only a matter of time really...