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During a usual session of essay writing procrastination (aka watching Youtube during 'mental breaks')
I came across this, I've seen a .357 cartridge in the collection of a friend who has a certificate to collect ammo, but never seen them in the shops, anyone who does pest control use anything like this? namely the .22 variant?
I take it that these still class as shotgun cartridge rather than Sec1 ammo?

https://youtu.be/7DFU1H0Mm4Y

dave_303 wrote:During a usual session of essay writing procrastination (aka watching Youtube during 'mental breaks')
I came across this, I've seen a .357 cartridge in the collection of a friend who has a certificate to collect ammo, but never seen them in the shops, anyone who does pest control use anything like this? namely the .22 variant?
I take it that these still class as shotgun cartridge rather than Sec1 ammo?

FIFY

Section 2, shotgun ammo

CCI make them

I've just ordered some from Hannam's in 38 Special for a bloke that wants them for shooting animals caught in traps
RRP is about £33 per hundred, come in packs of 10. Also made in 44 Mag & 45ACP

DID have a few packs of .22 a while back. Very good fun, but a very short range load as the shot size is 12 or so, which means it runs out of steam very quickly.

I've had a box of these for at least 25 years, shot a couple of mice with them in the garage, but to be honest they're pretty uslesss.

Got some myself. As said, pretty useless, but for some reason, go off with a hell of a crack!

.22 shotshells bloody useless. Had a box hanging around in my cabinet for over 25 years never found a use for the dammed things as I don't shoot butterflies or moths and mice are too much for them.

Chapuis wrote:.22 shotshells bloody useless. Had a box hanging around in my cabinet for over 25 years never found a use for the dammed things as I don't shoot butterflies or moths and mice are too much for them.

Ditto that.

On another note are they section 1 ammunition? I was under the assumption they weren't, so no need for storage in an ammo safe.

Having used these in both .22" and in the .38 Special loadings back in the good old days I can confirm they were utterly useless and expensive too.

CCI used to sell the shot capsules separately so you could load your own shot sizes. Mostly they failed to break up or when they did hitting anything out of my 6" 686 hitting paper beyond 10 feet was a challenge. I once had an almost reasonable group of perfecly cut wadcutter type holes at 10 feet.

I have an article from an old Handloaders Digest where the author made these up in a variety of handgun calibers using cut down .30-40 Krag brass and cut down .410 wads. He achieved some 8-10" patterns at 10 feet with patterns holding up to 20 feet but sadly the days of us indulging in testing that are behind us.

I can scan it in if anyone's feeling nostalgic.

CDM5 wrote:

Chapuis wrote:.22 shotshells bloody useless. Had a box hanging around in my cabinet for over 25 years never found a use for the dammed things as I don't shoot butterflies or moths and mice are too much for them.

Ditto that.

On another note are they section 1 ammunition? I was under the assumption they weren't, so no need for storage in an ammo safe.

I don't think they are but I keep all my ammo including shotgun cartridges in a cabinet anyway.

Chapuis wrote:.22 shotshells bloody useless. Had a box hanging around in my cabinet for over 25 years never found a use for the dammed things as I don't shoot butterflies or moths and mice are too much for them.

Used to stay in a flat above a bakehouse, infested with cockroaches, put a sticky pad under sink and in the morning it was covered in them, didn't fancy picking it up in case they ran over me, solution, loaded some 22 Shotgun Shells in a S&W Mod 17 and shot them, they just disintegrated, a bit noisy though. razz

Still got some along with 22 Shorts and a box of CB Caps

Traditionally revolver cartridge shot loads were allegedly carried in the US as 'snake rounds' or 'frog rounds' Meet a rattlesnake close up in the boonies and a shot round had more chance of a hit than a bullet. The frog bit was to harvest edible species. From what I've read about them, a rifled barrel usually produces a doughnut shape pattern with few pellets in the centre.