G36 H&K cannot hold accuracy, Bundeswehr report.

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G36 H&K cannot hold accuracy, Bundeswehr report.

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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015 ... -confirms/


I wonder how much H&K will charge them to fix problems...
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It seems there are disagreements regards reported issues with the rifle, I think this one will run for a while.
The results being currently disseminated, diametrically contradict the extensive and elaborate testing conducted by Heckler & Koch, in view of emerging rumors regarding the accuracy of the weapon following prolonged firing or due to hot weather conditions, as well as those conducted by the Federal Office for Defence Technology and Procurement (BWB). These investigations have shown no relevant limitations in operational suitability if used correctly, nor are there any significant differences in these conditions in comparison with other assault rifles.

No documents are available to Heckler & Koch regarding the current allegations, so it is not currently possible to provide an urgently required factual investigation into these reported results. Therefore, Heckler & Koch can only state that the G 36 has consistently met, or exceeded any and all testing requirements specified by the German government, which includes an accuracy test, for all G 36’s delivered over the last 15 years and we have no reason to believe that the G 36 rifle is in any way an unsuitable assault rifle.
- See more at: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015 ... Ukzbg.dpuf
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BamBam wrote:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015 ... -confirms/


I wonder how much H&K will charge them to fix problems...
Pick a number and double it?
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ordnance wrote:It seems there are disagreements regards reported issues with the rifle, I think this one will run for a while.
The results being currently disseminated, diametrically contradict the extensive and elaborate testing conducted by Heckler & Koch, in view of emerging rumors regarding the accuracy of the weapon following prolonged firing or due to hot weather conditions, as well as those conducted by the Federal Office for Defence Technology and Procurement (BWB). These investigations have shown no relevant limitations in operational suitability if used correctly, nor are there any significant differences in these conditions in comparison with other assault rifles.

No documents are available to Heckler & Koch regarding the current allegations, so it is not currently possible to provide an urgently required factual investigation into these reported results. Therefore, Heckler & Koch can only state that the G 36 has consistently met, or exceeded any and all testing requirements specified by the German government, which includes an accuracy test, for all G 36’s delivered over the last 15 years and we have no reason to believe that the G 36 rifle is in any way an unsuitable assault rifle.
- See more at: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015 ... Ukzbg.dpuf
Thats a canned response, if they were a studio making a tv series, it would be right next to the canned laughs.
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Thats a canned response, if they were a studio making a tv series, it would be right next to the canned laughs.
My point there are disagreements on the issue and if there is an issue time will tell. There has to be a problem and the cause identified before any fix if needed and cost can be looked at. ? If there is an issue it could be expensive as it has being bought by a lot of countries for their military and police. For example agencies buying the firearm would specify requirements for the rifle, if the rifle performs within these requirements then there is not an issue, the police in the UK for example are unlikely to be using the firearm in a hot climate on full auto so the issue is unlikely to arise.
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ordnance wrote:It seems there are disagreements regards reported issues with the rifle, I think this one will run for a while.
But you referenced the previous report before the Bundeswehr official report came out, check the dates.
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Re: G36 H&K cannot hold accuracy, Bundeswehr report.

#7 Post by ordnance »

If there is an issue then the German government and military have done the responsible thing stopping deliveries.

The G36 rifle has a “precision problem, particularly at high temperatures” and the military stopped its delivery “as a precaution,” German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen said in a statement Monday. Military leadership met to discuss preliminary results of an investigation into the weapon and may consider alternatives after the final report, she said.
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#8 Post by Thorney »

'Continued impact probability'?

You're having a laugh no?
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#9 Post by Sixshot6 »

ordnance wrote:If there is an issue then the German government and military have done the responsible thing stopping deliveries.

The G36 rifle has a “precision problem, particularly at high temperatures” and the military stopped its delivery “as a precaution,” German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen said in a statement Monday. Military leadership met to discuss preliminary results of an investigation into the weapon and may consider alternatives after the final report, she said.
It boils down to H&K designing a rifle mainly with post ww2 in mind (the German's for understandable reasons never expected to be asked to contribute to any military efforts outside of Germany post WW2) and some police and security work on the side. None of those situations required the high rate of fire you would have to exchange in a battlefield. Still given how the G3 and its derivatives worked in everywhere from Antrim to Angola it is surprising. I guess maybe it was just such a big oversight and proof innovation does not always mean good things (I have a few bands or artists who were innovative after a period but the music was down hill so examples abound).
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#10 Post by Holds Tight »

Unfortunately, all claims of the weapon being subpar are correct. There are other issues, aside from accuracy, if one should need more to send this POS to the dustbin where it belongs. Sling attachment points are....plastic, so even after a weekend significant wear is noticeable. Lack of 'iron sights', should the built in optics fail (dual optic 3x & reflex red dot) or carrying handle break you are out of luck.....remember this is made from plastic.
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