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I have been looking to purchase some antique firearms to bolster my militaria and general collections but I have a question I wanted to see if I could clarify.

I was in an antiques shop recently and saw a late 1800's/early 1900's parlour pistol chambered in 6mm flobert. No real markings on it other than "foreign" stamped on the barrel. If something is not of an obsolete caliber but of 'antique' origin I take it that section 58 applies providing no intention to shoot or hold ammunition for said item?

I also fully appreciate that there is no definition within the act for 'antique' and this hasn't been tested in court, but for my own benefit I would consider anything over 100 years old antique.

TIA

$harp$hooter wrote: I also fully appreciate that there is no definition within the act for 'antique' and this hasn't been tested in court, but for my own benefit I would consider anything over 100 years old antique.

What? Like a 1914 dated SMLE?

6mm Flobert pistol, unless chambered solely for the blank of that caliber , I believe is S5.

Obsolete centre fire calibre list, muzzle loading over 100 years old and rimfire calibers, except those in 9mm or .22"m benefit from S58 as far as I remember. 6mm Flobert is the European designation for .22 CB.

"Foreign" stamped on the barrel used to form part of the proof marks, I'm sure. "Not British Made and "Not English Made", likewise.

Isn't an RFD just in court for allegedly selling a .32 rim fire?

Howdy $harp$hooter, which battalion were you with?

Sim G wrote:

$harp$hooter wrote: I also fully appreciate that there is no definition within the act for 'antique' and this hasn't been tested in court, but for my own benefit I would consider anything over 100 years old antique.

What? Like a 1914 dated SMLE?

6mm Flobert pistol, unless chambered solely for the blank of that caliber , I believe is S5.

Obsolete centre fire calibre list, muzzle loading over 100 years old and rimfire calibers, except those in 9mm or .22"m benefit from S58 as far as I remember. 6mm Flobert is the European designation for .22 CB.

"Foreign" stamped on the barrel used to form part of the proof marks, I'm sure. "Not British Made and "Not English Made", likewise.

So basically anything muzzleloading over 100 years old along with any obsolete calibre is section 58 as per the act but are there any other instances where an antique gun still has available ammunition and can be kept under s58?

No.

There is S7, but that's a different ball game entirely.

Blu wrote:Howdy $harp$hooter, which battalion were you with?

Sim G wrote:

Blu wrote:Howdy $harp$hooter, which battalion were you with?

What? it's a reasonable question. Doesn't seem to want to answer me though, I usually remember the folks I pi$$ off, don't remember pi$$ing him off for anything.

Sim G wrote:No.

There is S7, but that's a different ball game entirely.

Reading the below then sections 1, 2 and 5 controls don't apply to antique firearms but the firearm in questions must either be A) muzzle loading over 100 years old and/or B) obsolete calibre. So I should only really stick to collecting any designated obsolete calibre or muzzle loaders (I quite fancy a martini Henry .577/450 as part of my collection)


"ANTIQUE FIREARMS

8.1 Section 58(2) of the 1968 Act exempts
from the provisions of the Act – including
certificate controls under sections 1 and 2
and prohibition under section 5 – all antique
firearms which are sold, transferred,
purchased, acquired or possessed as curiosities
or ornaments.

The link below is a good place to start in understanding sec 58.

David

http://www.vintageguns.co.uk/articles/o ... libre-list