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Following on from the interesting thread about the Police intending to make spot checks, I was doing something quite dangerous - thinking.

I don't reload, but was planning on starting to do so at some point. I've been told that people tend to do the various tasks of reloading in groups, so that they will clean/prepare and prime cases in a batch, then add the propellant and bullet later. My pondering related to whether a primed round without powder and projectile requires to be securely stored?

The other interesting issue was that gun safe keys must not be available to family, which is actually more than marginally sensible anyway. But if the keys are locked up in a key cabinet or similar to which the family members don't have access, presumably there is no reason for them not to be aware of the contents of the key cabinet? Or is hiding the safe keys away somewhere a more sensible option?

shugie wrote:Following on from the interesting thread about the Police intending to make spot checks, I was doing something quite dangerous - thinking.

I don't reload, but was planning on starting to do so at some point. I've been told that people tend to do the various tasks of reloading in groups, so that they will clean/prepare and prime cases in a batch, then add the propellant and bullet later. My pondering related to whether a primed round without powder and projectile requires to be securely stored?

Terminology mate, you mean A PRIMED CASE. It's only a ROUND when fully assembled.
In law = NO, in practice = your choice.
ONLY live complete ROUNDS count as ammo (& S.5 bullets even when still not loaded into a case) - so it's the LIVE AMMO that is under the security requirement.
If in doubt - blank ammo. does not need to be locked up & can be bought without ANY certification - and only differs from live ammo by lack of a bullet. S.2 ammo too...

shugie wrote:The other interesting issue was that gun safe keys must not be available to family, which is actually more than marginally sensible anyway. But if the keys are locked up in a key cabinet or similar to which the family members don't have access, presumably there is no reason for them not to be aware of the contents of the key cabinet? Or is hiding the safe keys away somewhere a more sensible option?

Keys & lack of access to them by non-cert.holders has been an issue for decades...just some folk ignore it/overlook it...and some HAVE lost FAC's through such lack of attention to detail.
If your family are all safe crackers, then a safe is no good. IF you do get a safe for keys, get a GOOD one as I've seen some scary reviews on YouTube showing how easily some supposed high security safes can be opened.
Knowing where they are but not having access may be of use one day...

I would say hiding the spare keys in a safe location only you know about is a more sensible option because if you lose your set of keys for your gun cabinet and the one for the key cabinet you're pretty screwed for opening you gun cabinet/safe

do you think kids dont know all the hiding places you can think of in your house??

i live aone so its not a huge concern for me. if i was looking for a safe place, i would think that hiding the main set of keys (without house keys attached)somewhere in my car would be a better idea.
if i am not home, my keys are not at home.
if the car is stolen, so what? the ppl stealing it are unlikely to know what the keys are for and are even less likely to return to your house to break into it to search for something for it to unlock
if you are home, how likely are your children to be to go and either search your car looking for said key, or to be generally looking about your car in the first place, especially if you keep you car keys somewhere sensible in the house to begin with
they would also be classed as being secure, as even if someone did happen to break into your car, they still dont have your house keys.

obviously if you were going to be away on holiday or something, i would probably take them abroad with me.

bradaz11 wrote:........ somewhere in my car would be a better idea. .........

ha - I used to keep my wallet in the car for most of those reasons - locked car, locked glove compartment, alarmed & not in the house was the only way I could keep any cash in it!

I keep my keys at work, manned gate, 'F'off Fence, 24hr patrolled security, locked building, locked room, locked desk, only I can get to them.

lose my staff pass = screwed ;-)

I chose a combination dial lock, so no one can gain access but me. My main concern was children gaining access so I avoided an electronic keypad, as well as having to hide a key. What kid will pass a keypad and not press a button..?

No kids in my house so unless the dog is pretty switched on (unlikely as lazy arsed git) then the hidden keys remain hidden.