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223 ROAG

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:18 pm
by simong
Evening Peeps,

Just had a thought ! ( happens fairly rarely so though I'd better act on it )I've got some once fired Milsurp 223 ( boxer primed) and neck sized 'em coz they came out of the AR, cleaned in JD Tumbler and then trimmed. All ok so far, but, when trying to prime using small rifle primers and Lee hand prime ( with small rod fitted and no 4 shell holder) the pesky little primers seem to prefer going in on the scud, sideways or any other non regulation direction.
The cases seem to have what looks like an insert in the primer pocket ( it may just be my eyes though).
Any thoughts please before I give up and bin what seemed to be perfectly good brass fingerscrossed

thanks in advance for any suggestions

ttfn

the greek

Re: 223 ROAG

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:26 pm
by Sandgroper
Got any pictures of the primer pocket? The reason I ask because if it's milsurp brass the primers could be catching on the primer crimp. Just my initial thoughts.

Re: 223 ROAG

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:35 pm
by DL.
De-bur the primer pocket crimp... like he said.

Re: 223 ROAG

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:35 pm
by John MH
I'm assuming you mean RUAG and not ROAG. This milsurp brass has a primer pocket crimp that needs to be removed to allow the easy seating of primers. The best way to remove the crimp is with a Dillon Super Swage although there are other tools out there that will also do the job including cutters that remove the crimp.

Re: 223 ROAG

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:52 pm
by simong
Thanks for the replies folks.
I can't find the cord to download photos from phone but the cases are stamped RORG and don't have any staking round the pocket ( unlike for example some of the HXP 303 brass)
I'll get my spare cable from work tomorrow and post a couple of photos.
Its not the priming tool cos this works excellently "normal" Remington brass.

Thanks again for the input and I'll post photos when I get back from the shop tomorrow..


ttfn

The greek

Re: 223 ROAG

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:53 pm
by waterford103
John MH wrote:I'm assuming you mean RUAG and not ROAG. This milsurp brass has a primer pocket crimp that needs to be removed to allow the easy seating of primers. The best way to remove the crimp is with a Dillon Super Swage although there are other tools out there that will also do the job including cutters that remove the crimp.
++++ for the Dillon -- magic bit of kit .

:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

Re: 223 ROAG

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:55 pm
by DL.
simong wrote:Thanks for the replies folks.
I can't find the cord to download photos from phone but the cases are stamped RORG and don't have any staking round the pocket ( unlike for example some of the HXP 303 brass)
I'll get my spare cable from work tomorrow and post a couple of photos.
Its not the priming tool cos this works excellently "normal" Remington brass.

Thanks again for the input and I'll post photos when I get back from the shop tomorrow..


ttfn

The greek
Royal Ordnance Radway Green, I've used a cheap lee chamfering tool to good effect. Bit sore on the fingers though.

http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/pro ... mfer+Tool/

Re: 223 ROAG

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:04 pm
by John MH
Not RUAG but same problem, personally I'd junk the Radway Green brass as I've never had good results with it.

Re: 223 ROAG

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:05 pm
by dromia
Sounds like ring crimp, give them a twist with a de-burring tool to lightly bevel the edge of the pocket and see how the primers seat after that.

Re: 223 ROAG

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:54 pm
by Blu
If it's Radway Green then you will need to de-crimp, I have a load of it here in 5.56 and had to sort out the crimp before priming. Not bad stuff though as it's lasted for quite a while and through a fair few reloads.

Blu :twisted: