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So what constitutes a pump action? Is there a legal definition of what a pump action is with regards S5 rifles?

The act says:

Section 5(1)(ab) any self-loading or pump-action rifled gun other than one which is chambered for .22 rim-fire, e.g. short barrelled rifles;

Can we take it then that a straight pull, however reloaded (as long as it's not by the gas expelled by the ignition process), is okay so long as there isn't a manual pump mechanism such as you would see on a shotgun?

What have you seen? Got to be a reason for the question....

The was a European hunting rifle that "pumped" the pistol grip to operate it. Okenfest or something...

Innovation. I've had an idea for a new reloading method and just wanted to make sure I don't end up in possession of an S5.

All the new mechanism is assembled just not ever been fitted to a rifle yet.

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As soon as its proven / demonstrable I'll post pics....... and ordering info party2

majordisorder wrote:As soon as its proven / demonstrable I'll post pics....... and ordering info party2

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Good man!


As to the original question, I believe pump action refers to what is generally accepted as....

Sabre made an AR style rifle with a saddle that sat over the barrel and had two 'wings' (similar to barricade wings) that protruded out either side of the float tube through long slots.

By holding the fore end you could release your grip and slide your hand rearwards and a small operating rod attached to the saddle would pass through the gas hole in the upper and operate the bolt carrier group, thereby reloading it.

This was classed (by Sabre) as an ambi-cocking system and not a pump even though it could (almost) operate like one.
I believe this was never tested in court and AFAIK he only made very few. I had one in the store for a customer and it was not the easiest thing to operate as the handles were too far forward in every shooting position even standing.

Mattnall wrote:Sabre made an AR style rifle with a saddle that sat over the barrel and had two 'wings' (similar to barricade wings) that protruded out either side of the float tube through long slots.

By holding the fore end you could release your grip and slide your hand rearwards and a small operating rod attached to the saddle would pass through the gas hole in the upper and operate the bolt carrier group, thereby reloading it.

This was classed (by Sabre) as an ambi-cocking system and not a pump even though it could (almost) operate like one.
I believe this was never tested in court and AFAIK he only made very few. I had one in the store for a customer and it was not the easiest thing to operate as the handles were too far forward in every shooting position even standing.

Interesting. No doubt the last we'll ever see of Mr Savage's innovations....

Wasn't there a system developed where the next round was loaded by racking the pistol grip? Thought I read that it went to court.

How about a if someone took a K31 straight pull, attached an actuating rod from the bolt to the fore-end and thus enabled the action to be operated by means of a pump style action on the fore-end.