Storage and security of Section 58 (2) Firearms

[ovenpaa]

Does anyone know if there is specific guidance on the storage and security of section 58 (2) Firearms?

[dromia]

They are exempt from the firearms acts so have no specific security requirements other than what one might take to protect any other domestic article.

Obviously if you are going to shoot them then they become section 1 firearms and all security conditions pertaining to your FAC/RFD apply.

[M99]

Daft isn't it - I have a couple of things which are 58(2) - as it stands, they are locked away; however, I could quite legally hang them on the wall. Then if I chose to want to shoot them, apply to have a variation and put them on section 1 - they would then not be bale to be hung on the wall!!

But I could then remove them from my Section 1 after testing/shooting them and they could go back on the wall as 58(2)!!

Mike

[meles meles]

Now there's an interesting licence amendment: make it so as you can own anything you like at home as a S58 wall hanger, then on your way to the range each weekend you just pop into the local community plodshop or whatever it's called these days and get them to rubber stamp a bit of paper to deem it to be shootabubble for the next few hours. Obviously, this increases public safety as Mr Plod can see if you are drunk / depressed / a raving loony at the point that you wish to go shooting.

We're sorted !

[dromia]

The crucial difference tween section 58 2 and other firearms is that the ammunition is not commercially or readily available, that is what defines section 58 2.

Yes one can make obsolete ammunition but to do so requires the appropriate permissions on ones FAC.

Beware criticising the section 58 2. Some people fought long and hard on our behalf to have these firearms exempted from the legislation. We all know that the whole Firearms legislation is a mess however history shows us that any future changes will not be sensible and be to the detriment of legal gun owners. It would be easy enough for people in power to make section 58 2s to section 1s to remove the "inconsistency" and we would be the losers yet again, with no benefit to public safety.

[Sim G]

A friend of mine has a considerable S.58 collection. He chooses to lock them up. But that is his choice.

[ovenpaa]

We currently have a Danish Snider propped against a 19th Century Chapel organ which seems fitting for the rifle however it did make me wonder...

I quite fancy a Steyr Kropatschek M1886 at some point.

[FredB]

I have a '92 Winchester which was made in 1902. Despite being more than 100yrs old, it can never be classed as an antique/collectable because factory 44-40 ammo is still available. Apart frm this and a couple of .22s, all my rifles are in obsoelete calibres. I like the system: it means that I can go to an arms fair, buy something old and interesting, spend a few months on cleaning, restoration, aquiring the kit to load for it and only then put it on ticket. No variation is needed in advance of purchase and, if I want to sell it, I can take it off-ticket and do so with no restrictions. I never cheat--if shooters start actually using section 58 guns before they put them on ticket, the law will speediliy change. The whole thing works very well for people like me who loose interest after about 1930 and for whom aluminium does not belong in a gun and there is no such thing as "high quality plastic".
Fred

[greenshoots]

my snider and martini are on my gunroom wall along with a couple of swords FEO was quite impressed on the last renewal

greenshoots

[ovenpaa]

FredB - what do you do about proof testing on obsolete calibres you then go on to shoot?