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Civilian Service Rifle (Winter league) (National Shooting Centre (NSC), Bisley)

"This event is part of the monthly winter programme running from October to April and this meeting will be shot on Century Range over 100 to 500 yards."

This looks reasonably interesting and I'm tempted. Do you need to be a regular member of this winter league or can anyone cough up and shoot?

I believe its pitch up, pay & shoot but am fairly sure its bring own ammo, usual cert & own kit rules apply. Few do the Traditional No4/SMLE/Mosin iron sight class most are using optics / black guns etc.

Would love to do it but negotiating the Pass Out is beyond my capacity at the mo. Also am on route to Newyear in Edinburgh so will be skint & 'knacked' on return.

Club TR shoot 20th I believe.

You need to register like for any comp'. If you just turn up on spec you may not be able to shoot as these comps' are quite popular.
On the ones that I have a attended you need approx 100-150rnds. Bring your own ammo and Know what your zero's are for each distance. Its all become dominated by the straight pull AR Clones these days. Very few people shoot with No4s/SMLEs with Iron sights although there are classes for them.

After looking at the courses of fire, if you are using 'iron sights' then on some of the stages you are going to struggle. Engaging fig 12c and fig14 at 300 and 200 yds with 'irons' is more miss than hit with a .303. The matches are really designed around the optically sighted AR Clone.

Steve E wrote:After looking at the courses of fire, if you are using 'iron sights' then on some of the stages you are going to struggle. Engaging fig 12c and fig14 at 300 and 200 yds with 'irons' is more miss than hit with a .303. The matches are really designed around the optically sighted AR Clone.

Don't agree that they are 'designed' for AR straight pull. A bolt gun with as 10 round box mag can be just as competitive. Distances often go out to 500 yards and on a windy day the ..308 bolt guns often do very well.
Do agree that its very challenging with battle sights.

There are many many people on here who reckon their No4 to be the ultimate service rifle. Don't see quite as many prepared to step up and prove it. razz

The No. 4 is a Service Rifle!

I don't recall any country issuing straight-pull AR-type rifles to their Armed Forces!

I can appreciate that we have unique firearm laws but CSR with these rifles is a misnomer.

lapua338 wrote:The No. 4 is a Service Rifle!

I don't recall any country issuing straight-pull AR-type rifles to their Armed Forces!

I can appreciate that we have unique firearm laws but CSR with these rifles is a misnomer.

Is that not the whole point of it being C for Civilian? I.e. it is for civilians?

Individual wrote:

Steve E wrote:After looking at the courses of fire, if you are using 'iron sights' then on some of the stages you are going to struggle. Engaging fig 12c and fig14 at 300 and 200 yds with 'irons' is more miss than hit with a .303. The matches are really designed around the optically sighted AR Clone.

Don't agree that they are 'designed' for AR straight pull. A bolt gun with as 10 round box mag can be just as competitive. Distances often go out to 500 yards and on a windy day the ..308 bolt guns often do very well.
Do agree that its very challenging with battle sights.

There are many many people on here who reckon their No4 to be the ultimate service rifle. Don't see quite as many prepared to step up and prove it. razz

Meanwhile back on the range the Stats speak for themselves - Dec CSR Scores: Historic / vet - 152 short & 130 mid range vs 231 & 184 at top for black, scope, bipod / gizmo gun etc - putting ironsight No4s etc bottom or last 5 of all scores. ~Same for previous 2 rnds = No contest, outclassed.

Probably why only 1 or 2 enter with them? so for U wood n Iron sight owners poss better to see what LERA are organising?

Or BUTS/TNHR organise a No4/SMLE/Mosin etc only shoot? (with & without bayonets with a final charge to the :cheers: bar) & we call it Classic Service Rifle?

Gaz get your name down, closing date is Thurs 3rd Jan 10am, you pre register so that you can be squadded on the day (also to ensure a space as it's often full). Basically you are in pairs, one shoots while one RO's, then you swap over - this is excellent help you if you are new to CSR. The best thing about service rifle is it's not an arms race, the most popular class is "service optic" which is 4.bowl scope mag maximum and no bipods - that levels the playing field.

Some pics from earlier this year,

hitchphil wrote:

Individual wrote:

Steve E wrote:After looking at the courses of fire, if you are using 'iron sights' then on some of the stages you are going to struggle. Engaging fig 12c and fig14 at 300 and 200 yds with 'irons' is more miss than hit with a .303. The matches are really designed around the optically sighted AR Clone.

Don't agree that they are 'designed' for AR straight pull. A bolt gun with as 10 round box mag can be just as competitive. Distances often go out to 500 yards and on a windy day the ..308 bolt guns often do very well.
Do agree that its very challenging with battle sights.

There are many many people on here who reckon their No4 to be the ultimate service rifle. Don't see quite as many prepared to step up and prove it. razz

Meanwhile back on the range the Stats speak for themselves - Dec CSR Scores: Historic / vet - 152 short & 130 mid range vs 231 & 184 at top for black, scope, bipod / gizmo gun etc - putting ironsight No4s etc bottom or last 5 of all scores. ~Same for previous 2 rnds = No contest, outclassed.

Probably why only 1 or 2 enter with them? so for U wood n Iron sight owners poss better to see what LERA are organising?

Or BUTS/TNHR organise a No4/SMLE/Mosin etc only shoot? (with & without bayonets with a final charge to the :cheers: bar) & we call it Classic Service Rifle?

Iron sight rifles shoot in a separate class. No point in comparing scores across classes. I shoot service optic class, my scores are much lower than those who shoot off a bipod with a high power optic. Does that mean I should 'pack it in'?
My point is that many people own classic service rifles that are more than capable of competing in this fantastic comp. Its a shame that only 1 or 2 are prepared to actually do it.

Rarms... you're missing the point.

In my opinion, Service Rifle competitions should be shot with "as-issued" service rifles whether it's Classic, Veteran or Modern! Therefore, the "Modern" service rifle is going to be a bolt-action that was designed after 1946, e.g., the AI L96A1/AW, L39, L42, Zfk55, etc, etc. They should be "as-issued".

Straight-pull AR's have never been Service Rifles!