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A look at safe boxes and the differences therein...not to be confused with the cabinets we tend to use in the UK.

Very interesting if a bit long at almost 20 mins but if you are of a mind to buy an actual SAFE this is worth a watch.

We have a Fort Knox in the US, bargained down to $3000 inc tax, delivery and bolting to the floor from a list price of $4995 + tax.....

Definitely weighs about a ton LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltK-bDbA ... re=related

One part I could never get my head round is from the Home Office Firearms Security Handbook 2005, their bit on Security cabinets.
It should be built to BS7558 (does anyone have a copy of this) OR to certain standards described. The bit that gets me is section 8 in Annex 'A':

"8. Hinged full-length doors for rifles/shotguns, should be fitted with two locking devices fitted
at points to divide the locking edge into equal parts. Alternatively, the door may have a driven
bolt/multi-point locking system, either key or lever operated,"

How many 'approved' cabinets (of type with two locks) have you seen with the two locks dividing the the locking edge into equal parts??? (go look at yours now & tell me)


Can anyone with access to BS7558 tell me if it specifies the the same???

Andy632 wrote:
"8. Hinged full-length doors for rifles/shotguns, should be fitted with two locking devices fitted
at points to divide the locking edge into equal parts. Alternatively, the door may have a driven
bolt/multi-point locking system, either key or lever operated,"

How many 'approved' cabinets (of type with two locks) have you seen with the two locks dividing the the locking edge into equal parts??? (go look at yours now & tell me)

There are two ways to interpret that:

1. The distance from bottom to first lock equal to the distance between locks equal to the distance from upper lock to top.

2. Each lock is responsible for securing half of the cabinet door and is positioned midway. So the distance from bottom to fist lock is equal to distance from upper lock to top and the space between locks is twice that distance.

In both cases there would be a small amount of tolerance.

At first reading most would go for the first definition, however the second is equally valid and is, I believe, what is required. Being closer to the end there is less chance to get a lever in a bend the door and even if that was done the space would be small and the force on the lock significantly less.

Has anyone actually done a Brattonsound type cabinet to see if they are any good..i.e actually tried to force one open or cut through it...

Chuck wrote:Has anyone actually done a Brattonsound type cabinet to see if they are any good..i.e actually tried to force one open or cut through it...

No, but I was told by Brattonsound how to get into one of their safes when key were lost and it was not by levering the door open. And I am not going into details here.

Hi All

All safes & or vaults can be breached if you know how to or what the week areas are. Happens at work when keys are locked inside them . Little man turns up does what he does and it is open. Gun cabinets only have to withstand attack with hand tools for a certain time. The best forms of security are secrecy and location.
location pick one that makes it had to attack, inside cupboard/wardrobe reduces access.
secrecy do not let on you have firearms, are you the only house with an alarm in you street (must have somethig to nick then).
Tip ask your local crime prevention officer about the MO of burglars you will find not many lofts get robbed.

TW

the store where we got the For Knox had some Chinese "brand names" opened up..Shocking..FLimsy, poor welds, gyprock for insulation in bits, i.e. just bits hacked to fit in place.. no drop lock system if anyone tries to breach the door there is no deadlock falling into place and certainly no weight in them..The bloke in the video was on the button.

toffe wrapper wrote:Hi All

All safes & or vaults can be breached

Another job for the "GV" then, or do you think that slightly over the top :goodjob: