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The sport will eventually "die" out...

Stealthie wrote:
When you've got thousands of people with £1000s in kit that could all be rendered illegal within 16 weeks, it'd be kinda nice if somebody would actually announce WTF is going on.
Even after Dunblane we had a whole year to come to terms with what was going on.

It is certainly a worry I have several guns that could be effected:

.22 semi-auto LBP
.22 semi-auto Sig Sauer Swat rifle (black rifle)
.9mm SGC AR 15 (black rifle)
12 bore Benelli M1 Super 90 (8-shot, black shotgun)
12 bore Benelli M2 Practical (10-shot, black shotgun)
12 bore Browning A5 3-shot (lovely 125th anniversary model which is semi auto).

There is quite a bit of money's worth there that I could possibly loose

Alpha1 wrote:What surprises me is that most of the people in my shooting circle don't know any thing about the EU thing when I raised the subject they did not know what I was talking about.

This is SO true!!

The secretary of one of my clubs meets with the county police force on a fairly regular basis yet still doesn't know what is going on.
There are couple of club members who are active on forums and closed Facebook groups and it certainly shows as they know what I'm talking about when discussing various news items.


I was at the range on Saturday morning chatting to a well educated academic who is a shooter, collector and dealer (generally has a table at Arms fairs). We spoke about the de-act situation and he said that he had read up and studied all the information...... and that current spec. and pre 95 de-acts are really going to go up in value once the new law comes in..... I explained that it was my understanding that if you wanted to sell any de-act after the new (2016) law comes into effect then you would need to have the firearm redone and sent off for proof. He disagreed .... is he right? Not as far as I read it.

Looking at the wording in the legislation said academic is wrong unfortunately HH1.

Sadly the DEAC market is going to implode, the irony is with no real paper trail out there for what deacs are about Pre and Post 95 all this legislation will do is fuel the black market in less butchered deacs!

Lets say you own a pre 95 deac FG42, currently worth an absolute fortune in the collectors market if you want to sell it are you:

a) Get it butchered further beyond belief, send it to proof then complete sale at the vastly reduced value

or

b) Sell it somewhere discrete to a fellow collector cash in hand with a nod and a wink

Option a) is within the law but a criminal butchering of a valuable item that strips thousands off its value

Option b) is criminal under the new law but also hard to enforce and allows you to pocket the real value of the gun but also fuels a black market that barely existed until this point.

As that deac house said recently:

Law written by morons!

Oh and again like Dunblane and Hungerford this is collective punishment of people who did not commit a crime but now play scape-goat for other peoples or organisations failings. In this case the utter p*** poor deac regs of an Eastern European country.

Grrrrrrr! Need to go to my happy place to calm down!

The only benefit I can see to the new deac laws is they may stop more perfectly serviceable bolt action rifles being butchered though! You think you have found a reasonable price rifle within reasonable driving distance only to discover it's been bloody deactivated!

Fedaykin wrote:Grrrrrrr! Need to go to my happy place to calm down!

Happiness is a DShK......or "Dushka" (sweetheart)

Well they can have my magazines as long as they dont mind the pages being stuck together

Seriously though - should clubs not be bringing all this to the attention of their members - seems they are not, judging by some comments??

Maggot wrote:Well they can have my magazines as long as they dont mind the pages being stuck together

Mine are old issue's of Official Nintendo Magazine, filled with the dreams of long dead importers of stuff you couldn't get in the uk and the dreams of the dead tree press.