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The 88 act which gave the secatary of state powers to ban certain guns without parliament is what I think illegal under EU law ! In any case compensation has to made for any seizes under that section anyway if not that would for certain illegal under UK common law and EU law !
If there was a labour administration now then we would be in the s*** !
I don't think they would be any bans even for lever release etc the home office passed the Mars and haven't since made a report to the home office about dangerous they are ! (If there were so dangerous they would done something by now )

I think the focus is going to be replicas / antiques etc and amending the act to be more clear cut
Of course the government protectors (acpo) wil try add their bullshit, in which case with shooters having their say and organisations to counter acpo augments in a government consultation (green paper ) so those purposals would left out of any future firearms act . That is if the government even brothers to implement any of the recomendations

No, I think that they (ACPO/NPCC) think the envelope has been pushed too far already and whilst the MARS and Lever Release rifles may comply with the law (not tested in Court yet) they do not comply with the intent of the law when it was introduced as amendments to the 68 Act.

The Police don't want two separate actions, they don't want any firearms at all.

Its a consultation on the scope of a review in any case so submit your thoughts.

joe wrote:The 88 act which gave the secatary of state powers to ban certain guns without parliament is what I think illegal under EU law ! In any case compensation has to made for any seizes under that section anyway if not that would for certain illegal under UK common law and EU law !
If there was a labour administration now then we would be in the s*** !
I don't think they would be any bans even for lever release etc the home office passed the Mars and haven't since made a report to the home office about dangerous they are ! (If there were so dangerous they would done something by now )

The Pistol Ban cost the government a lot of Tax Payers money, a ban on self ejecting full bore firearms wont.

EU Law, don't think the government cares and a typical example of where interference from Europe is not wanted when they are potentially trying to do something, although maybe misguided, for 'Public Safety'.

Marmite5 wrote:No, I think that they (ACPO/NPCC) think the envelope has been pushed too far already and whilst the MARS and Lever Release rifles may comply with the law (not tested in Court yet) they do not comply with the intent of the law when it was introduced as amendments to the 68 Act.

The Police don't want two separate actions, they don't want any firearms at all.

Its a consultation on the scope of a review in any case so submit your thoughts.

I'm not sure what to say, I'm still not sure, how they could define manual op in a way to screw over MARS and lever release owners. You yourself said you can't seem them becoming illegal under a new law yourself.

Marmite5 wrote:No, I think that they (ACPO/NPCC) think the envelope has been pushed too far already and whilst the MARS and Lever Release rifles may comply with the law (not tested in Court yet) they do not comply with the intent of the law when it was introduced as amendments to the 68 Act.

The Police don't want two separate actions, they don't want any firearms at all.

Its a consultation on the scope of a review in any case so submit your thoughts.

how are we supposed to know what laws are intended to do? we can only know what they say. and then work to that.

everyone has different interpretations. the point is a law should be written robustly enough that it does what it is intended for, and is not open for interpretation.

bradaz11 wrote:

Marmite5 wrote:No, I think that they (ACPO/NPCC) think the envelope has been pushed too far already and whilst the MARS and Lever Release rifles may comply with the law (not tested in Court yet) they do not comply with the intent of the law when it was introduced as amendments to the 68 Act.

The Police don't want two separate actions, they don't want any firearms at all.

Its a consultation on the scope of a review in any case so submit your thoughts.

how are we supposed to know what laws are intended to do? we can only know what they say. and then work to that.

everyone has different interpretations. the point is a law should be written robustly enough that it does what it is intended for, and is not open for interpretation.

gunlike

Marmite5 wrote:

joe wrote:The 88 act which gave the secatary of state powers to ban certain guns without parliament is what I think illegal under EU law ! In any case compensation has to made for any seizes under that section anyway if not that would for certain illegal under UK common law and EU

The Pistol Ban cost the government a lot of Tax Payers money, a ban on self ejecting full bore firearms wont.

EU Law, don't think the government cares and a typical example of where interference from Europe is not wanted when they are potentially trying to do something, although maybe misguided, for 'Public Safety'.

Public protection or not confiscation of property by the state requires compensation and I would hope if this is the case that shooting organisations would take it the EU court
As far as going against the spirt of law ! That's bullshit speak for we wish could ban something that actually complies with the law but we don't like it anyway ! The same can be said for straight pull Ar-15's, ar10s, aks etc the 88 act was about banning those types of rifles they also shoot a lot faster then a turn bolt action so imagine acpo comming out with some rate of fire bo...cks ! Lbr/lbp's are large handguns and for sure goes against the spirit of the law !
Does anyone think a Tory government will ban anything unless there is another masscare ??
Or we all soon be lining outside the nearest police station to hand over our firearms while sheeple dance around trees holding hands singing peace around world !!!:(

bradaz11 wrote: everyone has different interpretations. the point is a law should be written robustly enough that it does what it is intended for, and is not open for interpretation.

Thats exactly why its going to be rewritten, it is open to interpretation but as far as intent goes that is what Judges do when the make rulings. If you read the footnotes in the consultation scoping document there are lots of example where Judges have made a ruling and aired on the side of caution. The Police and CPS want ambiguity removed as it makes their job easier, Court cases less costly and also protects legitimate licensed firearms users.

If a MARS or Lever Release case came to court its 50/50 on which way it would go and those odds are probably not good enough for the CPS to take action.

Anyway don't panic, its going to be years before there are any changes.

joe wrote:
Public protection or not confiscation of property by the state requires compensation and I would hope if this is the case that shooting organisations would take it the EU court
As far as going against the spirt of law ! That's bullshit speak for we wish could ban something that actually complies with the law but we don't like it anyway ! The same can be said for straight pull Ar-15's, ar10s, aks etc the 88 act was about banning those types of rifles they also shoot a lot faster then a turn bolt action so imagine acpo comming out with some rate of fire bo...cks ! Lbr/lbp's are large handguns and for sure goes against the spirit of the law !
Does anyone think a Tory government will ban anything unless there is another masscare ??
Or we all soon be lining outside the nearest police station to hand over our firearms while sheeple dance around trees holding hands singing peace around world !!!:(

They may well compensate in any targeted ban in the future, its not going to cost them much is it.

You are all worrying far to much, its a CONSULTATION on the SCOPE of a review.

f*** it if they going to ban everything then stock up and enjoy while we can if everything gets banned or some guns get banned it will partly our fault for not standing up and demanding our rights more aggressivly . I've heard more then a few UK shooters say the USA nra are sick and wrong but if our nra were like our counterparts we would still have handguns and we wouldn't have to worry about this s*** review !