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I'm still confused Fed, why would advocating carrying for self defence harm sport shooting? They're unrelated and only you are drawing parallels?

A terrible terrorist attack against a known target

Which was preceded you choose to ignore by at least 4 muslim terrorist attacks in less than a month leading to the death of two innocent random civilians ...

BTW , strictly for "common criminal" threats, I agree with you that, so far, I also never perceived the need to walk around armed even in my neck of SE London. IMO Krav is probably adequate for most situations.
Do bear in mind that guns attacks however are not the only threats. Let's not forget that since the beginning of the year, that is 16 days ago only, there have been already 10 fatal stabbings in London alone ...
Since the Left & Liberals oppose so much "Stop & Search" and are hell-bent on refusing to send those feral individuals to jail or deport them, I am forced to walk among them daily while my useless MP enjoys police protection ...

Fedaykin wrote:

Chuck wrote:

A terrible terrorist attack against a known target who already had police protection is not justification to legislate for conceal carry and widespread public support for a change is unlikely.

Rape is extremely rare, fyi the second rarest crime in the UK after murder. Also victims of rape in most cases know the perpetrator as it is also sadly a crime mostly within the home. Being raped in a public space is thankfully extremely rare which brings me back to proportionality.

You keep going back to statistics...

It doesnt take long to find that somewhere in the region of 65%~ of rapes are not even reported. Through fear, embarrassment, whatever.

"Only 36 percent of rapes, 34 percent of attempted rapes, and 26 percent of sexual assaults were reported." - one of the top results on google. Many more searches back the figure up...

...Are you a politician...? Twisting the facts to your own bitter end.

Rape again is just one example where it might come in handy.

I'm sure just flashing a concealed carry to someone whose trying to mug you would diffuse the situation, as it would also be a deterrent. Tell me, are muggings not proportionate? being held at knife point and being told to hand over possessions.

Sounds like you live under a rock and make yourself feel better about the world we live in by reading statistics our government (with their own agendas) are pushing...

Fedaykin, if you bothered to actually read what I said, you would see that my beef with your posts is that you say my view harms our sport.

This is bullshit.

You are saying I am not entitled to my opinion; you are wrong ABOUT THAT.

I think you are wrong full stop, but you are allowed your opinion.

Demonic69 wrote:I'm still confused Fed, why would advocating carrying for self defence harm sport shooting? They're unrelated and only you are drawing parallels?

Because there is no public or political desire within the UK to support the introduction of concealed carry. Arguing for it as far as I am concerned is wonderful ammunition for the antis who already brand us as dangerous gun nuts. If you are unsure of that have a look at some of the speeches made by Peter Squires.

People who are involved with sports shooting within the UK who call for concealed carry are causing harm to the "Public image of our sport".

Mr_Logic wrote:Fedaykin, if you bothered to actually read what I said, you would see that my beef with your posts is that you say my view harms our sport.

This is bullshit.

You are saying I am not entitled to my opinion; you are wrong ABOUT THAT.

I think you are wrong full stop, but you are allowed your opinion.

I refer you to my above point.

By all means have an opinion but it is my opinion that it is damaging to our sport.

TattooedGun wrote: You keep going back to statistics...

It doesnt take long to find that somewhere in the region of 65%~ of rapes are not even reported. Through fear, embarrassment, whatever.

"Only 36 percent of rapes, 34 percent of attempted rapes, and 26 percent of sexual assaults were reported." - one of the top results on google. Many more searches back the figure up...

...Are you a politician...? Twisting the facts to your own bitter end.

Rape again is just one example where it might come in handy.

I'm sure just flashing a concealed carry to someone whose trying to mug you would diffuse the situation, as it would also be a deterrent. Tell me, are muggings not proportionate? being held at knife point and being told to hand over possessions.

Sounds like you live under a rock and make yourself feel better about the world we live in by reading statistics our government (with their own agendas) are pushing...

I will stick to national crime statistics if you don't mind, the 65% figure is heavily disputed and mainly gets parroted by Radical Feminists, you aren't one of them are you?

Rape, muggings are all terrible but still rare. There is no public support for concealed carry within the UK, there is no political support. So what benefit is there campaigning for it?

Also to go back to the point I promised I was going to make to chuck are you prepared to pay for it?

We operate to an armed response model of policing within the UK, if concealed carry was legalised (and that would require the 97 ban to be repealed as well) the police would have to change their model and issue guns to all Police Officers in the country. Any incident that a Police Officer could face would now have the risk of a gun being involved. How much do you think it would cost to equip and train every Police officer in the country? Who pays for that?

We would out of taxes...

Oh and am I a politician...no but I am related to one

Look I have nothing more to say, I have strong opinions on this matter as do others as it appears.

I would rather get on with people then not so I have said what I want to say and leave it at that.

There was nearly 16,000 rapes reported to the Police in the UK last year, even if half of them were false accusations I'd hardly call 8000 rapes "extremely rare" and those figures come from the Gov.UK Crime statistics.

Ooops sorry but the above should read reported in England and Wales alone and not the UK. Also I don't which one reads true but this from the BBC http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29642455

There were 22,116 recorded rapes in the year to June, a rise of 29%

Again even if half of those were false accusations I'd still say rape was hardly "extremely rare" in the UK