Law Commission recommends total overhaul of firearms laws

[saddler]

that would be an Imitation firearm (IF), not a realistic imitation firearm (RIF). Anyone can buy an IF, but it is against the law for anyone to buy a RIF - BUT certain people may have a reason for an exception to prosecution.

But it isn't illegal to posses either IF or RIF

So we'd end up with "Realistic" military firearm and "Non" Realistic military looking firearm maybe?

Get me off this ride then.

no, you'd end up with military firearm and non military firearm by the above logic. But RIF/IF came about in the VCRA to try to stop poor folks in the local betting shop getting robbed with an airsoft gun, as it is an offense to turn your IF into a RIF, unless you are immune from prosecution (by being an airsofter, re-enacter or a prop company etc.)
yet you still see shops selling toy guns (ones that make noises rather than fire anything) that are still technically RIF's.
they would have done better to just class 6mm as an airgun caliber, but then you end up with insurance issues as you would then be propsoing that ppl go and shoot each other with airguns...
anyway... I dont think the whole military catogorisation is likely to appear as that would have to include things like SMLE's, mosin nagants et all. they just have their noses out of joint as they probably helped write the legislation when banning semis and thought they had it all covered, then a few ppl make a work around and appear with the very rifles they wanted rid of.... even though they are not semi auto.

Its like telling a child that they can not have ice cream from the freezer, and they appear eating frozen yogurt.... looks a lot like ice cream, tastes like ice cream, but it isn't ice cream, so they didn't disobey you. but the person eating it knows it isn't ice cream and wishes it was.

[bradaz11]

why? if you did that you would sell a gun everytime someone in gvmt makes some offhand comment. and then sell your car everytime they discuss car tax.

chill out... nothing has happened... yet. go talk to your local bodies.

[Sixshot6]

no, you'd end up with military firearm and non military firearm by the above logic. But RIF/IF came about in the VCRA to try to stop poor folks in the local betting shop getting robbed with an airsoft gun, as it is an offense to turn your IF into a RIF, unless you are immune from prosecution (by being an airsofter, re-enacter or a prop company etc.)
yet you still see shops selling toy guns (ones that make noises rather than fire anything) that are still technically RIF's.
they would have done better to just class 6mm as an airgun caliber, but then you end up with insurance issues as you would then be propsoing that ppl go and shoot each other with airguns...
anyway... I dont think the whole military catogorisation is likely to appear as that would have to include things like SMLE's, mosin nagants et all. they just have their noses out of joint as they probably helped write the legislation when banning semis and thought they had it all covered, then a few ppl make a work around and appear with the very rifles they wanted rid of.... even though they are not semi auto.

Its like telling a child that they can not have ice cream from the freezer, and they appear eating frozen yogurt.... looks a lot like ice cream, tastes like ice cream, but it isn't ice cream, so they didn't disobey you. but the person eating it knows it isn't ice cream and wishes it was.

You missed what you meant to say Saddler.

[Sixshot6]

why? if you did that you would sell a gun everytime someone in gvmt makes some offhand comment. and then sell your car everytime they discuss car tax.

chill out... nothing has happened... yet. go talk to your local bodies.

True, what local bodies have I got in South Yorkshire also? And you're right, plus the only reference to technology in that video from the law commission seemed to focus on convertible imitations. I know I have basc, but thats not local.

[joe]

Get those emails off to the law commission review ! I posted the email address a few pages back

[Sixshot6]

Get those emails off to the law commission review ! I posted the email address a few pages back

I might do, what have you written? I need to know exactly what to say, to keep on topic and not come off as a fool. I'll consult with some more literate people also.

[Outsider]

Get those emails off to the law commission review ! I posted the email address a few pages back

What's the deadline for responding, by the way?

[Sixshot6]

Get those emails off to the law commission review ! I posted the email address a few pages back

What's the deadline for responding, by the way?

21/09/2015

[Marmite5]

Having read the document the part in 7.34(2) is definitely about the advances in design aimed at self ejecting full bore rifles. Its clear to me that the authorities don't like them and that the law as currently written is ambiguous, as it is in lots of places, so they want clarity as they currently don't think they could win in court. When revised clarity may allow them to prevent further developments that test the intent of the 68 Act amendments that banned self loading rifles and then pistols. Whats already out there is unlikely to be banned as the Home Secretary already has the power to do that without recourse to Parliament should she/he be convinced that they are especially dangerous; it will only take one incident with one though and they'll be gone forever.

[Sixshot6]

Having read the document the part in 7.34(2) is definitely about the advances in design aimed at self ejecting full bore rifles. Its clear to me that the authorities don't like them and that the law as currently written is ambiguous, as it is in lots of places, so they want clarity as they currently don't think they could win in court. When revised clarity may allow them to prevent further developments that test the intent of the 68 Act amendments that banned self loading rifles and then pistols. Whats already out there is unlikely to be banned as the Home Secretary already has the power to do that without recourse to Parliament should she/he be convinced that they are especially dangerous; it will only take one incident with one though and they'll be gone forever.

So in that case whatever get's introduced in the near future before any new act gets written and passed will be alright also? I only say so as the act appears clear there on the manual operation, then again the two separate actions is not mentioned in law which is probably why the CT guy I talked with thought his design would be uk legal. In many ways I guess the MARS and Lever release have given them a ground work to work from. Maybe the two separate actions is what the police wanted clarifying and in effect they are grateful for Bob and Scott effectively agreeing to that for them to use for reference in future? I know from talks with dealers with other stuff in the pipeline that the consensus seems to of that being what a manual op (not including pump action) should be.

On another note has anyone took note about the proposal for categories of firearms? What does that bode for us?