Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

[bradaz11]

the Knives that have to be handed in, what are assisted openers classed as?

as I have a SOG trident, which is currently for sale on a UK website?? for £110, and a volcan coronado on a european website at 52euros.

would those be taken as vaues? my SOG is certainly not a £10 knife.

[walesdave]

the Knives that have to be handed in, what are assisted openers classed as?

as I have a SOG trident, which is currently for sale on a UK website?? for £110, and a volcan coronado on a european website at 52euros.

would those be taken as vaues? my SOG is certainly not a £10 knife.

SOG Trident is definitely included - all assisted openers were reclassified as 'flick knives' by changing the definition of a 'flick knife'.

I got most of mine from the US so I'm searching online for US adverts which show their current values.....hint....I'm not looking for the cheapest options!

One thing to think about as well is if you have any 'flippers' you'd like to get rid of (make some dosh off) I'd bet your local force would take them in as well.

[Blackstuff]

Does anyone have an old copy of gun mart with the costs for components for MARS rifles from Caledonian Arms. I'm looking in specific for the scope mount, flash hider and AR15 magazine adapter for the .223 variant ?

I don't unfortunately and the man who cannot be contacted, cannot be contacted.

I've got the original 'bill of sale' for my MARS that included all of those accessories, only problem is, none of them are priced, just listed

He did a variety of scope mounts, i have the one that specific for mounting an ACOG and that was £120, i believe the one with the picatinny rail was a similar price. The 'muzzle brake' was £48 and the mag adaptor was £50.

If you go onto http://www.zahal.org and http://www.vz58rifle.com/accessories-vz-58/all of the items can be found there. Whether or not the HO will accept a print out of a foreign website as proof of cost is an entirely different matter I have a folding stock buffer tube for my VZ58 from the second website which was £120. I'm hoping i'll be able to re-coup SOME money from it under the 'buffer tube assembly' section but as its not clear whether or not you have to provide receipts for ancillary items i'm hesitant to hand it in

[Sandgroper]

Interestingly, from the Govt website https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... he-streets it says

The full surrender scheme applies in England and Wales which relates to certain knives and other offensive weapons, as well as rapid firing rifles, their ancillary equipment and bump stocks. The scheme extends to Scotland and Northern Ireland only with respect to firearms, their ancillary equipment and bump stocks.

So does that means no comp for the now banned knives etc in Scotland/NI or are they still legal? I haven't looked at the legislation in detail (yet) and can't see anything on the Police Scotland website...I would have thought the SNP and Police Scotland would have been all over this like a rash if they were banned!

[Sim G]

Does anyone have an old copy of gun mart with the costs for components for MARS rifles from Caledonian Arms. I'm looking in specific for the scope mount, flash hider and AR15 magazine adapter for the .223 variant ?

I don't unfortunately and the man who cannot be contacted, cannot be contacted.

I've got the original 'bill of sale' for my MARS that included all of those accessories, only problem is, none of them are priced, just listed

He did a variety of scope mounts, i have the one that specific for mounting an ACOG and that was £120, i believe the one with the picatinny rail was a similar price. The 'muzzle brake' was £48 and the mag adaptor was £50.

If you go onto http://www.zahal.org and http://www.vz58rifle.com/accessories-vz-58/all of the items can be found there. Whether or not the HO will accept a print out of a foreign website as proof of cost is an entirely different matter I have a folding stock buffer tube for my VZ58 from the second website which was £120. I'm hoping i'll be able to re-coup SOME money from it under the 'buffer tube assembly' section but as its not clear whether or not you have to provide receipts for ancillary items i'm hesitant to hand it in

The compensation scheme, along with all of the others that have gone before, allows for a valuation from an RFD as to its worth. Take your rifle to your local RFD, and have him write an appraisal. This will allow you to easily include all of those pieces that are specialised above the standard.

From the SI;

" If you are claiming an amount other than the value set out in the Values List, you will need to provide the police with sufficient evidence to support the amount that you are claiming. This evidence may include:
(a) a valuation from an auction house;
(b) evidence of the price paid for the purchase of the item and the date of purchase; (c) published evidence of value of the item; or
(d) a valuation from a registered firearms dealer in the case of a firearm
This evidence must be provided at the time of the surrender. In the case of a claim for compensation for any individual offensive weapon that is over £250, it is recommended that you bring a photograph of the item as part of the evidence of its value. This is not compulsory, but it will help in considering your claim for compensation."

[Blackstuff]

(d) a valuation from a registered firearms dealer in the case of a firearm

Doesn't that mean an RFD can't value ancillary equipment, only the firearm itself? Or just in the cases of the firearms section, an RFD can provide a valuation?? Whoever wrote this and the guidance needs a pay cut!

[IainWR]

(d) a valuation from a registered firearms dealer in the case of a firearm

Doesn't that mean an RFD can't value ancillary equipment, only the firearm itself? Or just in the cases of the firearms section, an RFD can provide a valuation??

The listed ways of getting a value are examples only. If an RFD sells scopes (for instance), he should be able to offer a professional opinion as to the value of one.

https://nra.org.uk/surrender-of-mars-an ... -owa-2019/

[Sim G]

(d) a valuation from a registered firearms dealer in the case of a firearm

Doesn't that mean an RFD can't value ancillary equipment, only the firearm itself? Or just in the cases of the firearms section, an RFD can provide a valuation?? Whoever wrote this and the guidance needs a pay cut!

It would be my opinion and in my previous experience, an RFD could value the lot. There is a tendency to overthink these things. The SI states "in the case of a firearm", you can claim for the firearm ancillary equipment, so claim it. The minutia will be valued by the RFD as the Home Office can't possibly list everything. That was the same situation as with proper self loading rifle and handguns.

Likewise, if you ancillary equipment fits on the gun, fit it to the the gun. That "increases" its value, does it not? And it can be also said, despite the attraction of such a thing, don't spray it pink of bend the barrel, as that plainly, would devalue it. Just a thought...

Carefully constructed presentations and valuations may see you being recompensed very closely to what you paid out. Cold comfort, but comfort none the less.

[DanTheMan]

Mate handed his in yesterday, he had to point out the upgrade parts (on the rifle i.e. iron sights/trigger) to the desk officer and they took photos and emailed that along with his compensation form to the HO. Today the HO emailed him saying it's been approved and payment will be made shortly.

[Polchraine]

What does "optical rifle scope" actually mean?

I have an old 4x20 damaged too, and never used on a rifle. Can I surrender it and claim the £160?