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Re: Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:13 pm
by Blu
Just a though and TBH I'm not even sure if it applies in the UK or if it's even possible. Over here if a group or even an individual wants something added to a ballot for people to vote on they have to collect so many signatures, not electronic, but actual signatures . Those signatures are forward to the town/city or State authorities to be checked and if found to be okay it is then added to the ballot for folks to vote on. Can the same thing be done in the UK?
Blu
Re: Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:18 pm
by IainWR
There is an equivalent arrangement with e-petitions, for which there is a Government website. If an e-petition reaches (IIRC) 100 000 hits, then the government is required to take note. What they actually have to do about it I'm not clear.
Re: Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:28 pm
by Alpha1
Still don't know which of Dromias posts you are referring to but its not important any way.
I looked at your Avatar after my original post and it says you live in Michigan so it was pretty simple to work out you don't live in the UK.
I think the on line petition thing was tried before. But I could be wrong.
Re: Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:31 pm
by Gaz
IainWR wrote:Gaz
If you are going to do this, and having just skim-read the relevant laws (though I was extremely familiar at the time with the 97 No1 Act) I think that you want a Legislative Reform Order that:
Revokes S5(1)aba Firearms Act 1968
Amends the word "rifle" in S15(1) Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 to "firearm"
Deletes the final sub-section of S15 F(A)A 1988
The above would allow possession of revolvers in all calibres and .22 self-loading pistols, and their use within the Home Office Approval scheme (and as a useful bonus would include S1 shotguns in HOA)
and ideally an Order which also revokes S5(1)ab Firearms Act 1968
which would allow self-loaders in other calibres (including btw, rifles).
That would have to be sold as a concept to the Home Secretary (who would be making the Order), and I think it would run head-on into the view expressed by Neil, which is a highly relevant point and not an easy argument to counter.
As easy as that? Cor! Now how do we get MPs on board supporting that as an Order...
As for the rest of the thread, I was hoping to open up a discussion about legalising pistols and how we need to push for an amendment to existing laws rather than a blanket repeal which would suddenly make life very difficult and hand the antis in positions of power far more tools to unfairly restrict us with. Anti-bashing is all well and good, but doesn't really advance our cause - unless we're constructing counter-arguments that all of us can use.
Re: Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:38 pm
by 25Pdr
Seems all you have to do to get permission for a Pistol is be a retired terrorist..
BBC Report on the tenth anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement.. States that..
"By July, the IRA had formally ordered all units to dump their arms. Even so, a former senior Irish government source says at the 11th hour the IRA had threatened to call off the deal unless some senior members were allowed to keep weapons for their personal protection. "
And!
This BBC report names at least one of them....
"Sinn Fein man 'granted firearms certificate' "
Re: Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:10 pm
by Blu
Alpha1 wrote:Still don't know which of Dromias posts you are referring to but its not important any way.
I looked at your Avatar after my original post and it says you live in Michigan so it was pretty simple to work out you don't live in the UK.
I think the on line petition thing was tried before. But I could be wrong.
Dave, Blu now lives in the USA.
On this very thread.
Blu
Re: Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:15 pm
by Blu
IainWR wrote:There is an equivalent arrangement with e-petitions, for which there is a Government website. If an e-petition reaches (IIRC) 100 000 hits, then the government is required to take note. What they actually have to do about it I'm not clear.
Is there a way to get something put on the national ballot do you know? For instance when we lived down State one of the townships tried to ban deer hunting on a Sunday. 10,000 signatures later the township couldn't just go ahead and ban it but had to wait until the next elections and then put it on the ballot paper. Needless to say that township was defeated at the ballot box.
Blu
Re: Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:24 pm
by SevenSixTwo
IainWR wrote:There is an equivalent arrangement with e-petitions, for which there is a Government website. If an e-petition reaches (IIRC) 100 000 hits, then the government is required to take note. What they actually have to do about it I'm not clear.
If it reaches 10,000 then HMG is required to note and respond (on the web). It's usualy: "Yeah whatever, plebs".
If it reaches 100,000 votes then it gets aired formally and dicussed in the House. There are approaching 1 million gun owners in the UK. 100,000 should be a piece of cake, right?... :roll:
Was thinking earlier; we lost semi-auto and pistols partly because Government could act quicker than we could spread news, ideas and calls to action. We now have the internet and
especially Twitter.
"Any attack made by the Politicians against this sport would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they've obtained. Twitter is now the ultimate power in the universe! I suggest we use it" ~ Admiral Motti.
:lol:
Re: Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:58 pm
by Mr_Logic
The facts are these:
Pistols are all-but outlawed in the UK.
Legalising them once more would not prevent a danger to the public. Pistols did not prevent a danger when they were misused at Dunblane. The fault was in the licensing.
Politicians do not generally care about facts when deciding their policies.
The argument for and against pistols has nothing whatsoever to do with the facts.
The last two facts render the second fact irrelevant.
We will never see pistols legalised in the UK.
Re: Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:36 pm
by Alpha1
Quote:
Dave, Blu now lives in the USA.
On this very thread
I missed that. Not to worry