IainWR wrote:Serious question - how does the colour of the gun affect what you do?
I can hire you a Ruger 10/22 in black plastic. I can hire you the same gun in wood. The wood is lighter, has fewer bits to fall off, and doesn't rattle. Which would you prefer, and why?
I can also hire you the plastic gun in shocking pink. Is that a problem - if yes, exactly why?
Before you answer in public, remember that question at the bottom of an FAC reference form - "What do you know of the applicants attitude to firearms?"
The colour of the gun makes no diffrence weather m4,ak but ingeneral they are all termed black rifles.
I have no problem with using a 10/22 black or brown all comes down to personal choice.
IainWR wrote:So, serious question again, what defines a "black gun" if not the colour?
It is generally accepted that Black guns - have plastic/composite type stocks and are of the "tactical" variety - ie Large capacity magazine's, etc
So my Sako 85 with a black synthetic stock and light sporter barrel does not tend to get called a Black gun! - but my AR-15 with scope, bipod, large capacity mags does. Likewise so does my Sig 522 SWAT.
I do have a concern over the ever increasing cost of some of the high end competition disciplines. Yes it could be argued if someone cannot afford the sport it is not for them however I am sure there are many seasoned and new club shooters with rifles that simply are not eligible for any particular class other than something like McQueen which is not to everyone's liking.
To shoot at the top end of F/TR or TR is going to take a huge capital investment akin to a reasonable second car and that is before you start feeding the rifle. Geographically Bisley is better placed for TR than F Class competitions however the idea of a Bisley based F Class league has been discussed recently which would certainly save shooters some of the transport and lodging costs associated with the current league however this only applies if you are fairly local to Bisley.
This is why I keep on banging on about Sporter Class (S Class) as an alternative. Sub 6Kg repeater rifles with a maximum of 26" barrel and 12X magnification scope shot at F Class targets. All of a sudden some of the costs have been removed and many more club shooters and hunters can compete against like minded sorts.
Sadly the take up for S Class has been slow so far...
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We keep banging on about the cost of shooting various disciplines - yes, it can be expensive but..................
Some years ago, I was trying to persuade one of our members to chuck his useless Parker Hale in Diggle's reservoir and get something proper. "But I've just paid £120 for it!"
He was leaning on his brand new Mondeo, which - I pointed out - had depreciated the price of a decent rifle the minute he drove it out of the showroom!
I guess most of us have a car worth more than our rifle........... It's about how YOU choose to spend your money guys!
I recently watched an F Class shooter - with a hole in his sock and a brand new £2500 March scope on his rifle. Now there's a shooter who has his priorities right!
I recently watched an F Class shooter - with a hole in his sock and a brand new £2500 March scope on his rifle. Now there's a shooter who has his priorities right!
dave_303 wrote:Something I've notice over the years, particularly in the .22 world, .22TR is dying, my primary rifle club in Somerset is now predominately .22 Benchrest or Sporting/gallery rifle. The shooting society at the University of Kent is entirely Sport/Gallery rifle, with some clay shooting, and looking to some service rifle shooting at Bisley and Hythe
Is that still going? I first shot Martini action .22 with them at the range on the adjacent school grounds in 1981.
It was refounded last year, we heard there had been one in the past but no one knew anything about it, Do you remember which school? St. Edmunds or Kent College? We know nothing of a range in that location they shoot in Deal, have had discussions with Herne Bay and Ashford
St Edmunds, they still claim to have a rifle range on their prospectus. I don't recall it being that long though. The guy who organised it was a mature student in Rutherford who knew someone at St Edmunds, I'm pretty sure we used their rifles, can't see the Student Union coughing up to buy guns.
ovenpaa wrote:
This is why I keep on banging on about Sporter Class (S Class) as an alternative. Sub 6Kg repeater rifles with a maximum of 26" barrel and 12X magnification scope shot at F Class targets. All of a sudden some of the costs have been removed and many more club shooters and hunters can compete against like minded sorts.
Sadly the take up for S Class has been slow so far...
We'll get there! Need to talk about fine tuning the comp details, I'll try and find a spare moment and give you a call.
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