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Re: MY STRAIGHT PULL L1A1

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:28 pm
by PaulR
Laverda981 wrote:
bradaz11 wrote:a dealer that will haggle????? who is this mythical beast??!!!
I always haggle for second hand guns, dealer or private, & have never failed to have summat knocked off...
Oh, I tell a lie, I tried to knock a bloke down on my M2, he refused to budge saying it was cheap already. It was, to be honest.
M2 Carbine?

Always haggle.......

Re: MY STRAIGHT PULL L1A1

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:45 pm
by bnz41
The receiver is Imbel PAC (Pacific Arms Corp)

The Barrel is a FAL you can tell by the grooves behind the gas block these were for the front sling swivel would have fitted and allowed the sling to move from side to side. To the right of the grooves you can see where the original gas block was fitted slot for pin to go through on top, gas block moved forward to it's now location. Rifle would have been a Congo original. You can see where the sling is fitted now it will not move unless you loosen the screw, then it will move forward.

Looks like the pin is missing from the FE behind the bayonet lug.

Re: MY STRAIGHT PULL L1A1

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:13 pm
by huntervixen
Hi Neil,

Ah, so that's what a Congo barrel looks like in the raw, the inch gas block sits well forward of the original dosent it. Well spotted, key missing from the FE.

It will be interesting to hear how she shoots.

Re: MY STRAIGHT PULL L1A1

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:54 pm
by bnz41
huntervixen wrote:Hi Neil,

Ah, so that's what a Congo barrel looks like in the raw, the inch gas block sits well forward of the original dosent it. Well spotted, key missing from the FE.

It will be interesting to hear how she shoots.
Hi John,

I keep looking at the gas block there seems to be something under it around the barrel as the right hand edge of the underneath bit is not square to the barrel/gas block, it's cut at an angle just under the gas regulator, spacer/sleeve maybe so the gas block fits around the slimmer barrel profile?

What do you think.

I would aslo be interested in how it shoots if there is alot of recoil the way it's been set up, because my congo is not bad at all on recoil.

Laverda981 WOW just noticed you have a Revolt in .308 how does that shoot for a straight pull, you lucky chap very rare....swap you a go with it, with my M14

Re: MY STRAIGHT PULL L1A1

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:46 pm
by snayperskaya
PaulR wrote:
huntervixen wrote:Hi,

I hear what you are saying, but the UK has some of the tightest Firearms regs in the World and L1 Straight pulls have been available for over a year now.

If the Home office took any issue with this rifle, they would have confiscated the first example to emerge, swooped down on all involved and thrown the book at them!

As it is, a steady trickle of these splendid rifles have been winging there way all over the country....without issue!

It seems, prior to this conversion, no one had really tested the S5 to S1 rule, it shows that refreshingly, common sense can occasionally overrule the I'm not Listening brigade.

Once an agreed standard of conversion work has been carried out to a specific Firearm type it, effectively creates a Home Office "type approval" and it goes on the S1 list.

Providing this is rigidly stuck to by all party's involved in L1A1 re-building, then there is no problem...approval is approval!

Thats my take on it anyway.

Cheers, John.
I'm sure that he will correct me if I'm wrong or out of line but I think that Gareth at Anglo Custom originally championed the use of 'S5' components in S1 firearms.

I'm sure that when I picked up my SP L1A1 from him he put it quite simply, he had a load of original uppers and lowers with matching serial number and was either prepared to or had manufactured a load of brand new identical uppers and lowers.

He approached the HO (or whoever is reponsible for Firearms approval now) and ACPO and asked them why should he have to use the new sets when the old set were identical. The added bonus of using the old sets was the presence of an original serial number. At that point even they couldn't see the sense in the legislation as it was understood to apply and granted him permission to manufacture. He then got this in writing from them.

He had to make other mods to make it certain that they could never be converted but the basic precedence was set.

It seems others are now following his example and hopefully we'll get some interesting stuff coming out - straight pull BAR?

Go nicely with my Straight Pull Garand and M1 Carbine, bought from another Gareth at Cotswold Arms 10 and 11 years ago. Unfortunately all new manufacture but very authentic. :shakeshout: :shakeshout: :shakeshout:

Cheers

PaulR
That's what LDT did with my SKS.....

Re: MY STRAIGHT PULL L1A1

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:05 pm
by huntervixen
bnz41 wrote:
huntervixen wrote:Hi Neil,

Ah, so that's what a Congo barrel looks like in the raw, the inch gas block sits well forward of the original dosent it. Well spotted, key missing from the FE.

It will be interesting to hear how she shoots.
Hi John,

I keep looking at the gas block there seems to be something under it around the barrel as the right hand edge of the underneath bit is not square to the barrel/gas block, it's cut at an angle just under the gas regulator, spacer/sleeve maybe so the gas block fits around the slimmer barrel profile?

What do you think.

I would aslo be interested in how it shoots if there is alot of recoil the way it's been set up, because my congo is not bad at all on recoil.

Laverda981 WOW just noticed you have a Revolt in .308 how does that shoot for a straight pull, you lucky chap very rare....swap you a go with it, with my M14
Yep shimmed under the gas block, my next question would be has the block been fitted correctly aligned, the only way to find out is shoot and see if it zeros at 100yds without running out of adjustment.

I bet it used to belong to an RFD, it must have to get all those L1A1 parts for the rebuild, just a shame the original Imbel parts have parted company.

Someone out there in full-bore land must know about this rifle, its a real one off and very distinctive on the range any????

Re: MY STRAIGHT PULL L1A1

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:37 am
by HALODIN
Strange, someone had a bit of an obsession with this rifle. I'm surprised they changed the carrier group/bolt, gas block, locking catch and change levers. It makes me wonder if someone has the sister rifle with an L1A1 receiver and loads of FAL parts... :D

Out of interest, has the gas regulator and/or plug been neutered at all? I can see the gas cylinder has been drilled, sometimes they're cut underneath as well.

I can only assume this is post Sabre Defense and pre Anglo Custom Rifles, otherwise why bother.

Re: MY STRAIGHT PULL L1A1

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:35 am
by bnz41
There was a rumour that the SAS used a snub nosed L1A1's see the link scroll down, http://www.real-gun.com/l1a1.html sadly deact, it does look like the one posted about here does it not.

Was somebody trying to build one to use as a straight pull, thinking mega money sale.

I do know of an ex gunsmith who built FAL/L1 combined rifles.

Re: MY STRAIGHT PULL L1A1

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:51 am
by huntervixen
Morning all , the small hole in the gas tube is the standard gas relief vent, some have a second larger vent at the rear too.

I would imagine the gas block is intact, after all the original Imbel block was untouched as imported by Sabre (though some RFD's took it upon themselves to weld them up in the intervening years).

After doing some research I cant find any evidence UK SF ever employed a snub nosed L1A1.
The Australians certainly did in Vietnam in the form of the Bitch or Break rifle, all sorts of individual cut down/selective fire mods made to L1A1's at unit level by the A SAS group in country.

Re: MY STRAIGHT PULL L1A1

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:28 pm
by Laverda981
bnz41 wrote:The receiver is Imbel PAC (Pacific Arms Corp)

The Barrel is a FAL you can tell by the grooves behind the gas block these were for the front sling swivel would have fitted and allowed the sling to move from side to side. To the right of the grooves you can see where the original gas block was fitted slot for pin to go through on top, gas block moved forward to it's now location. Rifle would have been a Congo original. You can see where the sling is fitted now it will not move unless you loosen the screw, then it will move forward.

Looks like the pin is missing from the FE behind the bayonet lug.
This might be (probably is!) a stupid question, but how can the gas block's position move relative to the barrel? Is its location not determined by the length of the gas tube? Or are the dimensions of metric/inch blocks that different?