Short Siberia Load Development Questions...
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Re: Short Siberia Load Development Questions...
Our club put four targets up at a time. We don't compete so when someone wants to change a target they usually ask if anyone else wants theirs changed.
As for paper plates. Bnz used them, a tip he got from an American shooter. He drew a cross on the back about 5-6mm wide and stapled it to the target.
As for paper plates. Bnz used them, a tip he got from an American shooter. He drew a cross on the back about 5-6mm wide and stapled it to the target.
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Re: Short Siberia Load Development Questions...
It's been a good write up with accompanying pictures, I am sure you will have a great day, enjoy the shooting and the atmosphere and post a range report.
Finally best of luck and fingers crossed for good weather.
Finally best of luck and fingers crossed for good weather.
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Oh dear, it is coming down isn't it?
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Ominously quiet from the tattooedGun, Has he made it back OK?
Rained all day just up the road, guess he will be drying his kit off,
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Rained all day just up the road, guess he will be drying his kit off,
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Hmmm - hope it wasn't a total 'wash out'...especially after all the prep...Dangermouse wrote:Ominously quiet from the tattooedGun, Has he made it back OK?
Rained all day just up the road, guess he will be drying his kit off,
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We had 20mm of rainfall in 4 hours this morning, if it was like that at Bisley everything would have been floating down the range.
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Thanks for the concern everyone.
Fortunately I didn't blow my face off, I'm still here!
I only just got home - we went down (its quite a drive to bisley from here!) at 11:30 and arrived about 2:15 yesturday and went straight to short siberia, got setup and shooting by 3:15ish I think giving us 3 hours to find our zero and start putting bullets into our targets! - then me and the gf stayed in her mom's caravan at bisley (it was a bit full as she's RCO'ing and her son is working down the butts for imperial - so both bedrooms were full - me and the gf were on the couch!
Photos/range report to follow - just gotta get the photos off the camera :)
Fortunately I didn't blow my face off, I'm still here!
I only just got home - we went down (its quite a drive to bisley from here!) at 11:30 and arrived about 2:15 yesturday and went straight to short siberia, got setup and shooting by 3:15ish I think giving us 3 hours to find our zero and start putting bullets into our targets! - then me and the gf stayed in her mom's caravan at bisley (it was a bit full as she's RCO'ing and her son is working down the butts for imperial - so both bedrooms were full - me and the gf were on the couch!
Photos/range report to follow - just gotta get the photos off the camera :)
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Re: Short Siberia Load Development Questions...
okay here we go!
Got down there at about 2:15 - found my gf's mom - Mo - and we grabbed some plates and went down to the range.
After driving to short siberia from the caravan site i realised that Mo had not brought her rifle with her (she didnt think we were batching for her rifle too) so we had to go back to the caravan to fetch it...
By this time it was pressing on so we had to go down to the butts.... baring in mind neither of us had been to the butts at SS before, it was new to us both...
We initially struggled to put the target board in the frame, but after a little help from one of the other guys in the butts, it got figured out and we loaded up 3 paper plates each, either side of the black standard target - great, the bit we coloured in on the target is the small circle bit of the paper plate (you'll see on the first picture)...
Back to the firing point:

Neither me or Mo are set up for bench/rested firing so we had to improvise - I used my rucksack and Mo used a rolled up mat - not the greatest for testing accuracy, but it could have been more stable than using a sling... - we also shot from the bench rather than I originally planned on the floor...
First things first - we had to Zero our rifles - neither of us had shot at 100 yards before, so didnt know where to zero - we knew it was somewhere inbetween 0 minutes and 11 minutes (300yds)... so we shot some RG at the target until we found where we were... unfortunately we couldnt see where the shots were going through the scope and we didnt have anyone there marking for us... so a makeshift marker out of a cable tie and some pink highlighted paper and sent my gf down to the butts so we could center our rifles...
Here you can see the paper plate we later used as you could see the shots down the scope on the white...

then we started on the paper plate targets (shown on the right)...
almost inevitably as the lack of forward planning and amount of time getting shorter, one of us cross shot onto the first grouping plate - I was shooting at the right targets from the left hand bench and mo was shooting at the left from the right - Mo accidently put her first 3 round group into my target - shown here...

Oops!
nevermind, a quick confirmation of where we're shooting and we sorted it out...
we shot the other 3 cards down there as wel as we could (the bits we coloured in were unfortunately a bit too small and made it difficult to center in the open sights, especially as the packaging tape was dark too and made the "dot" we were aiming at a bit taller than it needed to be - I think thats why Mo was shooting a bit lower, aiming between the plate and the tape as they merged into one at 100 yards!
next time I'll have a bit of forward plannign and either buy black paper plates (if possible, or get some spraypaint and paint them black before going down so the whole plate is black!)
anyways, heres the plates from the first 5 batches (Lapua case):
44.5gr Lapua was both on the target above so we don't know what the group size was for each of us... oops - it wasnt the tightest overall though, we can see that!)

Me 45gr Lapua case

Me 45.5gr Lapua case

Mo 45gr Lapua case

Mo 45.5gr Lapua case

Mo 46gr Lapua case (oops, the shot dropped onto the tape!)
I don't know what happened to the pictures of the 46.5gr Lapua... they don't seem to be on my camera
onto RWS Brass - same loads:

Me 44.5gr RWS Brass

Me 45gr RWS

Me 45.5gr RWS

Me 46gr RWS

Me 46.5gr RWS *Personal Best Round
Mo's Cards:

Mo 44.5gr RWS

Mo 45gr RWS

Mo 45.5gr RWS

Mo 46gr RWS

Mo 46.5gr RWS *Personal Best Round*
As you can see, for both of us (we were both using 30" 1/13" barrels - Mo's was Paramount actioned and mine is RPA)
What I've Learned:
Take coloured paper plates - the circle we coloured in (or should I say my gf coloured in) was a bit too small at 100 yards - needed to be the whole plate to make it a bit easier to see!! (you guys with scopes have this side of load development easy!!)
get something a bit more stable and consistent for taking the shots than a rucksack.
Take your own chair/stool if ur going to short siberia - an adjustable height one if possible!
anyways, heres some pictures of us on the range:

BANG!


Look at the concentration!

Note the ingenious use of the mat!

Rucksack Tripod Power!!
Weather:
The weather, for the most part whilst we were on the range was actually pretty good! I can't remember getting wet at all when I was changing targets/running down to pass messages to Laura (we had a bisley radio but we didnt actually use it!)
it Pee'd down when we finished, but 100yd point at SS is covered :)
All in all we had a fantastic day, and it was a steep but enjoyable learning curve for both of us :)
Got down there at about 2:15 - found my gf's mom - Mo - and we grabbed some plates and went down to the range.
After driving to short siberia from the caravan site i realised that Mo had not brought her rifle with her (she didnt think we were batching for her rifle too) so we had to go back to the caravan to fetch it...
By this time it was pressing on so we had to go down to the butts.... baring in mind neither of us had been to the butts at SS before, it was new to us both...
We initially struggled to put the target board in the frame, but after a little help from one of the other guys in the butts, it got figured out and we loaded up 3 paper plates each, either side of the black standard target - great, the bit we coloured in on the target is the small circle bit of the paper plate (you'll see on the first picture)...
Back to the firing point:

Neither me or Mo are set up for bench/rested firing so we had to improvise - I used my rucksack and Mo used a rolled up mat - not the greatest for testing accuracy, but it could have been more stable than using a sling... - we also shot from the bench rather than I originally planned on the floor...
First things first - we had to Zero our rifles - neither of us had shot at 100 yards before, so didnt know where to zero - we knew it was somewhere inbetween 0 minutes and 11 minutes (300yds)... so we shot some RG at the target until we found where we were... unfortunately we couldnt see where the shots were going through the scope and we didnt have anyone there marking for us... so a makeshift marker out of a cable tie and some pink highlighted paper and sent my gf down to the butts so we could center our rifles...
Here you can see the paper plate we later used as you could see the shots down the scope on the white...

then we started on the paper plate targets (shown on the right)...
almost inevitably as the lack of forward planning and amount of time getting shorter, one of us cross shot onto the first grouping plate - I was shooting at the right targets from the left hand bench and mo was shooting at the left from the right - Mo accidently put her first 3 round group into my target - shown here...

Oops!
nevermind, a quick confirmation of where we're shooting and we sorted it out...
we shot the other 3 cards down there as wel as we could (the bits we coloured in were unfortunately a bit too small and made it difficult to center in the open sights, especially as the packaging tape was dark too and made the "dot" we were aiming at a bit taller than it needed to be - I think thats why Mo was shooting a bit lower, aiming between the plate and the tape as they merged into one at 100 yards!
next time I'll have a bit of forward plannign and either buy black paper plates (if possible, or get some spraypaint and paint them black before going down so the whole plate is black!)
anyways, heres the plates from the first 5 batches (Lapua case):
44.5gr Lapua was both on the target above so we don't know what the group size was for each of us... oops - it wasnt the tightest overall though, we can see that!)

Me 45gr Lapua case

Me 45.5gr Lapua case

Mo 45gr Lapua case

Mo 45.5gr Lapua case

Mo 46gr Lapua case (oops, the shot dropped onto the tape!)
I don't know what happened to the pictures of the 46.5gr Lapua... they don't seem to be on my camera

onto RWS Brass - same loads:

Me 44.5gr RWS Brass

Me 45gr RWS

Me 45.5gr RWS

Me 46gr RWS

Me 46.5gr RWS *Personal Best Round
Mo's Cards:

Mo 44.5gr RWS

Mo 45gr RWS

Mo 45.5gr RWS

Mo 46gr RWS

Mo 46.5gr RWS *Personal Best Round*
As you can see, for both of us (we were both using 30" 1/13" barrels - Mo's was Paramount actioned and mine is RPA)
What I've Learned:
Take coloured paper plates - the circle we coloured in (or should I say my gf coloured in) was a bit too small at 100 yards - needed to be the whole plate to make it a bit easier to see!! (you guys with scopes have this side of load development easy!!)
get something a bit more stable and consistent for taking the shots than a rucksack.
Take your own chair/stool if ur going to short siberia - an adjustable height one if possible!
anyways, heres some pictures of us on the range:

BANG!



Look at the concentration!


Note the ingenious use of the mat!

Rucksack Tripod Power!!
Weather:
The weather, for the most part whilst we were on the range was actually pretty good! I can't remember getting wet at all when I was changing targets/running down to pass messages to Laura (we had a bisley radio but we didnt actually use it!)
it Pee'd down when we finished, but 100yd point at SS is covered :)

All in all we had a fantastic day, and it was a steep but enjoyable learning curve for both of us :)
Re: Short Siberia Load Development Questions...
Brilliant write up! I have enjoyed following this from start to finish and think you did incredibly well given a very steep learning curve of both reloading and shooting on Short Siberia. You need to borrow a digital vernier now and measure one of your bullets to see what length it is. Also you could do with knowing the maximum OAL your rifle, this is easily done with the very minimum of tools (Have you got a hacksaw?)
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