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davidh195 wrote:

ordnance wrote:if my FAC ever comes back, two months and counting for a variation.

Mine just recently was 19 weeks

David

That's a long wait

My Dad posted off his filled up SGC last Monday (27 June) and had a brand new one by Thursday morning (June 30)......

I posted off mine because it too was full on Monday this week (4 July) and I got a new one back yesterday (6 July)......

and that included telephone conversations with the Firearms Dept to check the details regarding a couple of guns...

FAC variations take about a week or so......

Cheshire Police are Great

HH1 wrote:Ok well I have mentioned this post at our gun club tonight....

One club secretary who has a lot of involvement with the police and sits as a member of their Matrix meetings said, "No, you can't transport magazines that are loaded. Various other people agreed that this was the case, except one member who is quite well versed in the law and has lived in Canada. He said that loaded magazines are no different than having them in a box or other container. The club owner said that while it may not actually be illegal to have loaded magazines in a public place, it is certainly not recommended and you may have a though time justifying yourself.

That bit says it all. Not illegal, but the club owner doesn't recommend it therefore it isn't recommended....by the club owner.

I explained that the original poster had osteoarthritis in both thumbs and found it difficult to load the mags so would prefer to do this at his own pace at home. To this the club owner said that such a person "may" have a "good reason".... but for the rest of us, No!

The 'good reason' to have a firearm and ammunition in public is "going to the range to shoot it". The firearm isn't loaded and the ammo is in a safe place.

I have heard so many misinterpretations and falsehoods concerning the firearms laws and regulations and mostly from those in authority who should have a better understanding of them, club officials, police licensing officers, CID with Customs in attendance, the list goes on. Just because someone has involvement with the police doesn't automatically make them right, it wasn't that long ago that my local force refused to allow a relative to transfer to police firearms because he knew too much about guns (had SGC and FAC and shot a lot off the job).

it wasn't that long ago that my local force refused to allow a relative to transfer to police firearms because he knew too much about guns (had SGC and FAC and shot a lot off the job).

Chuck wrote:

it wasn't that long ago that my local force refused to allow a relative to transfer to police firearms because he knew too much about guns (had SGC and FAC and shot a lot off the job).

Go figure, Chuck, I guess they wanted to create a special type of firearms carrier from a clean slate who wouldn't question the teaching.
He ended up moving to NZ and now they can't seem to give him enough guns to carry.

This thread is a fabulous little quagmire. Well done internet!

I'll be keeping loose ammo in my AR receiver from now on, taping up the mag well to stop it falling out.

Just on the way to the range.

Matnall:

Go figure, Chuck, I guess they wanted to create a special type of firearms carrier from a clean slate who wouldn't question the teaching.
He ended up moving to NZ and now they can't seem to give him enough guns to carry.

Training does NOT stop when the "on the job programmed training finishes". ANYONE carrying a defensive firearm should train as often as possible and be acquainted with firearms - especially their duty firearm - as much as possible. OK our silly laws make that difficult but KNOWING how to handle different firearms is time well spent.

Whether the police like it or not, there are occasions when things do NOT go by the book or training by powerpoint.

As for questioning the treaching - NOT questioning it is a damn site sillier. How the hell can people learn or improve the training if it is not questionned?

Chuck wrote:

it wasn't that long ago that my local force refused to allow a relative to transfer to police firearms because he knew too much about guns (had SGC and FAC and shot a lot off the job).

A few years back when a nearby police force were recruiting for FEO's I have it on good authority (a member of the HR team) that any applicants found having FAC/SGC's were binned before the interview stage

Mattnall wrote:
I have heard so many misinterpretations and falsehoods concerning the firearms laws and regulations and mostly from those in authority who should have a better understanding of them, club officials, police licensing officers, CID with Customs in attendance, the list goes on.

Your average policeman probably would confiscate a Spyderco UKPN (UK PenKnife) just on "looks" alone, unaware that this particular knife is designed specifically for the UK market to be 100% compliant and perfectly legal to carry without the need for "good reason"....
that being the case, what are the chances of a policeman knowing wether or not it is legal to carry loaded magazines around? Personally I would not want to run the risk of arrest and de-arrest while the police make up their minds. If the roads of ammunition are stored in boxes in a range bag away from the firearms there is far less chance of awkward moments if you are stopped and searched.

In answer to the OP's original question, yes it is perfectly legal to transport ammunition in detachable magazines separate from the rifle.

I do so as I know it is perfectly legal and safe, other people are free to have their own view but that is all it is a view and an opinion, it has no legal standing whatsoever in regards as to what the the OP has asked.

I'll leave the "what if" scenario creators to the anti gun lobby as this is their tool of fear amongst those who know no better.

We have enough rules and regulations to comply with, most of which goes no way to making shooters or society safer, without having self imposed spurious rules applied by other shooters for no good reason.

Unless we stand by and up for those legal rights we have then we will just speed up their loss.

Yet again we find shooters to be our own worst enemies.

dromia wrote:In answer to the OP's original question, yes it is perfectly legal to transport ammunition in detachable magazines separate from the rifle.

I do so as I know it is perfectly legal and safe, other people are free to have their own view but that is all it is a view and an opinion, it has no legal standing whatsoever in regards as to what the the OP has asked.

I'll leave the "what if" scenario creators to the anti gun lobby as this is their tool of fear amongst those who know no better.

We have enough rules and regulations to comply with, most of which goes no way to making shooters or society safer, without having self imposed spurious rules applied by other shooters for no good reason.

Unless we stand by and up for those legal rights we have then we will just speed up their loss.

Yet again we find shooters to be our own worst enemies.

Dromia why did you go and post that, you've gone and spoiled six pages of mostly drivel that's been posted (with one or two exceptions).
Your last sentence is probably the most relevant "Yet again we find shooters to be our own worst enemies."