Possible ban of SGC Lever Release & CSA VZ.58 MARS Rifles ?

[HH1]

Besides the restriction, inconvenience and loss in value it is bad law making and should be opposed as such. The bulk of firearms legislation in this country is bad lawmaking that is not fit for the purpose it was masqueraded for and should be opposed as such.

It is not only firearms owners who suffer from poor legislation it is the whole country and as such should be opposed.

Thinking such a move isn't a bad thing just shows the divisiveness of the legislation and the lack of empathy and solidarity amongst shooters and gun owners.

Any gunner worth his or her salt should oppose any firearms legislation unless it is clearly evidenced that doing so will be managed competently and will achieve substantial benefits in regards to reason as to why it is being proposed.

Thanks for the reply Dromia.

I think you might have misunderstood what I was asking. I am not thinking it isn't a bad thing... I was asking if sect 58 is done away with, what will that actually mean? Having read another post.... does it mean that all of these old antiques need to be registered by owners?

Cheers.

[snayperskaya]

Not good.....if it took out the receiver then surely a new rifle would be in order?.Was your friend ok?.Not sure on Vz's but on an AK there is a protrusion on the rear of the bolt carrier that prevents the hammer contacting the firing pin if the bolt is out of battery.

VZ58's are internally completely different to AK's as they are striker fired, rather than hammer fired actions. I'd still love to know how it is possible to get one to fire out of battery unless there was an obstruction in the barrel/the bullet was too big for the chamber which stopped it!?

I know they are completely different internally but I wasn't sure if there was something built into a Vz's action that is an equivalent if you like.
The Vz actually has a linear hammer and internally a Vz is very similar to the Russian VSS Vintorez 9x39 fully suppressed sniper rifle.

[dromia]

Besides the restriction, inconvenience and loss in value it is bad law making and should be opposed as such. The bulk of firearms legislation in this country is bad lawmaking that is not fit for the purpose it was masqueraded for and should be opposed as such.

It is not only firearms owners who suffer from poor legislation it is the whole country and as such should be opposed.

Thinking such a move isn't a bad thing just shows the divisiveness of the legislation and the lack of empathy and solidarity amongst shooters and gun owners.

Any gunner worth his or her salt should oppose any firearms legislation unless it is clearly evidenced that doing so will be managed competently and will achieve substantial benefits in regards to reason as to why it is being proposed.

Thanks for the reply Dromia.

I think you might have misunderstood what I was asking. I am not thinking it isn't a bad thing... I was asking if sect 58 is done away with, what will that actually mean? Having read another post.... does it mean that all of these old antiques need to be registered by owners?

Cheers.

Yes.

[Blackstuff]

Blackstuff, do you have any source for .22 pistols being section 1 in their manifesto? my understanding was that it was an informal commitment made to someone or similar, rather than an official policy. Willing (and eager) to be proven wrong however: if it was in their 2010 manifesto it could easily be in their 2020 manifesto with some lobbying

I've been trying to find it for a while but sadly with no luck owning to the fact I was relying on my terrible memory! It was a supplemental 'leaflet' to the manifesto which I THINK was mainly to do with the Olympics. As its main thrust was to allow Team GB to own and practice with their pistols in this country it may be more difficult to get on another manifesto, unless they do particularly well in this years games.

The NPCC haven't published any meeting minutes past January that I can find.

January of this year? Do you have a link? The most recent one I can find is from February 2015!

http://www.npcc.police.uk/FreedomofInfo ... nutes.aspx

Ah, that's the Chief Constables meetings, not the Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Groups (FELWG) minutes. That's the meeting where they specifically discuss firearms matters

[bigfathairybiker]

Just so you know... my friend was ok.
I haven't seen him for a while now, next time I'm down the range I will enquire as to what exactly happened to his VZ.

Mark

[HH1]

Interestingly...a friends VZ.58 MARS had blown up twice in the past year! Both times it fired out of battery. First time it was just a big bang... second time it took out the receiver. Apparently back at CZ for repairs....

Mark

What is also interesting, is that no one (as far as I can see) bashed and cursed the VZ.58 MARS in the same way they have SGC lever release rifle.
Currently there four of us with 9mm SGC LR rifles across the clubs that I am a member of and NONE of us have had any trouble.... the rifles all run perfectly.
At least three of the owners are home-loading ammunition without any problems (they know how to crimp correctly).

My rifle now has had 637 rounds through it and it is running great. I log all the rounds, brand, weight, club range and distance in an "numbers" sheet (Apple's version of "Excell").

I'm not saying my awesome 9mm won't ever blow up, but I'm glad that I didn't listen to all the nay-sayers...... and gave myself the chance to own and enjoy one of these rifles

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[Sixshot6]

Interestingly...a friends VZ.58 MARS had blown up twice in the past year! Both times it fired out of battery. First time it was just a big bang... second time it took out the receiver. Apparently back at CZ for repairs....

Mark

What is also interesting, is that no one (as far as I can see) bashed and cursed the VZ.58 MARS in the same way they have SGC lever release rifle.
Currently there four of us with 9mm SGC LR rifles across the clubs that I am a member of and NONE of us have had any trouble.... the rifles all run perfectly.
At least three of the owners are home-loading ammunition without any problems (they know how to crimp correctly).

My rifle now has had 637 rounds through it and it is running great. I log all the rounds, brand, weight, club range and distance in an "numbers" sheet (Apple's version of "Excell").

I'm not saying my awesome 9mm won't ever blow up, but I'm glad that I didn't listen to all the nay-sayers...... and gave myself the chance to own and enjoy one of these rifles

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part genuine complaints and part, give someone something and they'll find something to complain about. Lord knows I've done that myself.

[shugie]

part genuine complaints and part, give someone something and they'll find something to complain about. Lord knows I've done that myself.

As have we all I suspect, although I good customer relations do tend to diminish the number and intensity of complaints for the most part.

[Blackstuff]

Interestingly...a friends VZ.58 MARS had blown up twice in the past year! Both times it fired out of battery. First time it was just a big bang... second time it took out the receiver. Apparently back at CZ for repairs....

Mark

What is also interesting, is that no one (as far as I can see) bashed and cursed the VZ.58 MARS in the same way they have SGC lever release rifle.
Currently there four of us with 9mm SGC LR rifles across the clubs that I am a member of and NONE of us have had any trouble.... the rifles all run perfectly.
At least three of the owners are home-loading ammunition without any problems (they know how to crimp correctly).

My rifle now has had 637 rounds through it and it is running great. I log all the rounds, brand, weight, club range and distance in an "numbers" sheet (Apple's version of "Excell").

I'm not saying my awesome 9mm won't ever blow up, but I'm glad that I didn't listen to all the nay-sayers...... and gave myself the chance to own and enjoy one of these rifles

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I sincerely hope nothing goes wrong with it, as that's when you feel the 'benefit' of being an SGC customer

Its the reason why CCA isn't slated; any issues and Scott pays for a courier to collect the gun from you, the whole process is free, other than any transfer costs incurred when you pick your rifle back up from your RFD but that's not really something he can control. My MARS began 'malfunctioning' (not in a way that prevented it from firing though) so he had it collected from me and it went back to the factory for internal upgrades, repainting and a new barrel. Because the factory can't tell him when my gun will be returned he offered me a brand new one, which should hopefully with be by the end of the week, that's the difference between the companies and why one is slated and the other not.

[shugie]

Interestingly...a friends VZ.58 MARS had blown up twice in the past year! Both times it fired out of battery. First time it was just a big bang... second time it took out the receiver. Apparently back at CZ for repairs....

Mark

What is also interesting, is that no one (as far as I can see) bashed and cursed the VZ.58 MARS in the same way they have SGC lever release rifle.
Currently there four of us with 9mm SGC LR rifles across the clubs that I am a member of and NONE of us have had any trouble.... the rifles all run perfectly.
At least three of the owners are home-loading ammunition without any problems (they know how to crimp correctly).

My rifle now has had 637 rounds through it and it is running great. I log all the rounds, brand, weight, club range and distance in an "numbers" sheet (Apple's version of "Excell").

I'm not saying my awesome 9mm won't ever blow up, but I'm glad that I didn't listen to all the nay-sayers...... and gave myself the chance to own and enjoy one of these rifles

.

I sincerely hope nothing goes wrong with it, as that's when you feel the 'benefit' of being an SGC customer

Its the reason why CCA isn't slated; any issues and Scott pays for a courier to collect the gun from you, the whole process is free, other than any transfer costs incurred when you pick your rifle back up from your RFD but that's not really something he can control. My MARS began 'malfunctioning' (not in a way that prevented it from firing though) so he had it collected from me and it went back to the factory for internal upgrades, repainting and a new barrel. Because the factory can't tell him when my gun will be returned he offered me a brand new one, which should hopefully with be by the end of the week, that's the difference between the companies and why one is slated and the other not.

That's proper service, it builds customer loyalty and a strong customer base. All too rare these days, people don't like to pay the premium for it.