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polemass wrote:My FLO is also over the moon that hand guns were banned and he will be VERY unhappy if something will change in shooters favour....ex policeman he is.....
And why MARS or LR rifle must be also banned Sim?-not used in any mass shootings,terror atacks or bank jobs...why not combine some will and power and try to lift this stupid ban-the best defence is atack...why speed cameras can be removed,also speed limits pushed up?why so many poeple underestimates his powers and limits?why so many thinks it is done forever?-and something like French Revolution or big asteroid strike opens locked minds and we can start again,when hamster mad wheel is finaly broken...

Problem here is that a lot of Brits are brainwashed into having an irrational fear of all weapons ! And to trust the government for help ! Even mation about getting CS spray legal (much of Europe legal and no checks ) will be greeted with howels and hysterical screaming from the sheep usuall about making it worse ! Thus most of them won't care or even want all guns banned ! Most don't even know you can even own a firearm let alone a right in our bill of rights !
We have never been closer to shooting airsoft then ever before

Time to strike back then-and not "softly-softly",rather opposite but this is a job for a professionals,look how adverts looking now on telly!-"you are soo moneysupermarket.." etc.WHY NOT about shooters?!-few big wigs/good story/or just plain "the thruth..."yeah,first step is the hardest....

Back on topic-I got email yesterday and rifle will be demoed at Bisley,I am waiting for more info.Also looked at utoob at some clips-I LIKE THE CONCEPT,started thinking seriously about "One Rifle For All",,,-L version in 7,62x39 and extra barrel in 6,5Grendel(maybe no need for bolt change too?!).I hope build quality is top notch like so many said before-all problems from first generation sorted too.And one more thing-here,in UK this system is less stressed then normal semi auto...less rounds will be fired...Oh,only the price tag...hm,but if you stick to the concept 2in1,is OK...ish

polemass wrote:Time to strike back then-and not "softly-softly",rather opposite but this is a job for a professionals,look how adverts looking now on telly!-"you are soo moneysupermarket.." etc.WHY NOT about shooters?!-few big wigs/good story/or just plain "the thruth..."yeah,first step is the hardest....

Back on topic-I got email yesterday and rifle will be demoed at Bisley,I am waiting for more info.Also looked at utoob at some clips-I LIKE THE CONCEPT,started thinking seriously about "One Rifle For All",,,-L version in 7,62x39 and extra barrel in 6,5Grendel(maybe no need for bolt change too?!).I hope build quality is top notch like so many said before-all problems from first generation sorted too.And one more thing-here,in UK this system is less stressed then normal semi auto...less rounds will be fired...Oh,only the price tag...hm,but if you stick to the concept 2in1,is OK...ish

I think Grendel mags or 6.8 spc mags will be needed for the 7.62x39 (5.45x39 can run in 223 mags but 7.62x39 will not). I think Brownells can help there.

Edit: They do, they have 10's and 28's though the 28's have to be backordered for 7.62x39 mags, they also have some promags for 2 quid cheaper, but it's promag so why pay for less quality when c products are better?

i am liking the sound of .300 blk

bradaz11 wrote:i am liking the sound of .300 blk

It would be good for moderating if you can convince your local plod that a mod is great for target shooting, i.e. It's health and safety and better for everyone involved.

well I have a mod for 9mm, but it will now be up to Avon and Somerset if they ever decide to 'meet' me. I found on the 9mm it pulled the group in a little bit, either that or the weight on the end steadied me up some?>

Sixshot6 wrote:
I think Grendel mags or 6.8 spc mags will be needed for the 7.62x39 (5.45x39 can run in 223 mags but 7.62x39 will not). I think Brownells can help there.

5.45x39 won't feed reliably in a .223/5.56mm mag due to the difference in the mags curvature.The first few will feed ok but a mag loaded to full capacity won't as the rounds hang up.

5.45x39 on left compared to 5.56/.223 round

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HALODIN wrote:I appreciate under UK law everything is legal unless there's a law prohibiting it, but I'm not sure I follow your logic on this. Isn't that like saying a bolt action rifle isn't defined by the home office? Surely it must be, in order to decide whether they should prohibit it or not and issue a licence against it?

The bolt action rifle defined specifically. Simply put, the definitions exist around s5. If a firearm doesn't fall within s5, it's s1.

When the lever releases first hit the market, they were deemed to be s5 because of some shoddy assembly by SGC resulting in proper semi auto action, or as was fabled with one or two, full auto. But once that was sorted the lever release didn't fall into s5 and so deemed s1. The description "lever release" is neither hear nor there the question is; is it semi auto?

Initially I don't reckon they paid much heed to the system after that as they are expensive and really, very niche. But, they are popular. The idea, which is not new, has spawned others and as seen with thus thread, more and more manufacturers are pursuing such systems as not necessarily for the UK market, but others that have similar restrictions on proper semis. More and more may head to the UK market and the authorities don't like them, they don't like them because of the rate of fire that can be attained.

They can't restrict this hybrid system until they have the definition to add to s5.

OK understood, it's to do with the rate of fire. So the Home Office might categorise these as a semi-semi-auto, interrupted-semi-autos or a self-unloading-rifles (SUR) in order to prohibit their use under section 1. Whilst that's possible, let's hope that doesn't make it probable.

Sim G wrote:

HALODIN wrote:I appreciate under UK law everything is legal unless there's a law prohibiting it, but I'm not sure I follow your logic on this. Isn't that like saying a bolt action rifle isn't defined by the home office? Surely it must be, in order to decide whether they should prohibit it or not and issue a licence against it?

The bolt action rifle defined specifically. Simply put, the definitions exist around s5. If a firearm doesn't fall within s5, it's s1.

When the lever releases first hit the market, they were deemed to be s5 because of some shoddy assembly by SGC resulting in proper semi auto action, or as was fabled with one or two, full auto. But once that was sorted the lever release didn't fall into s5 and so deemed s1. The description "lever release" is neither hear nor there the question is; is it semi auto?

Initially I don't reckon they paid much heed to the system after that as they are expensive and really, very niche. But, they are popular. The idea, which is not new, has spawned others and as seen with thus thread, more and more manufacturers are pursuing such systems as not necessarily for the UK market, but others that have similar restrictions on proper semis. More and more may head to the UK market and the authorities don't like them, they don't like them because of the rate of fire that can be attained.

They can't restrict this hybrid system until they have the definition to add to s5.

I'm sure they don't like straight pull black guns either ar-15 /10 ownership is increasing they fire faster then a normal bolt action ! When will it stop oh wait, when everything is banned !