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sorry, i'll clarify what i meant, when a firearm becomes a firearm in the eyes of BATF, that classification is then the one used by the UK to classify it here, isn't it?Mattnall wrote:Must have been a dreambradaz11 wrote:
... if a reciever is manufactured as a semi auto in the US, its sec 5 here??? or did I dream that?
A receiver is just that, a receiver and will take the lowest classification until it is manufactured in to a firearm.
According to the HO there are no S5 common parts, only parts of S5 weapons. So unless a part is made into or included in the build of a S5 weapon then it will remain the lower class (ie S1 in this case) until such time that it is included as part of a S5 weapon.
Its regulated, just like any other item that is pressure bearing etc, but its not prohibited under S5.Hunter87 wrote:Bloody hell mate calm down your gonna burst a blood vessel! I don't agree with you I don't believe it would be classed as a "suppressor" sorry I meant sound moderator as it increases the noise not lowers it also the item is advertised as being a flash hider which to the best of my knowledge aren't regulated.TattooedGun wrote:It's classed as a suppressor - so threading it and using it on a Sec 1 firearm would make it a regulated item, would it not?
And why the heck would you want to make it louder for no other benefit? Just to annoy everyone else on the range shooting along side you?
I have private land that's far enough away from people/houses that I can shoot on so I'm not going annoy anyone and I wouldn't dream of taking it to a club.
I haven't heard of this, but that doesn't mean it's not true.bradaz11 wrote:
sorry, i'll clarify what i meant, when a firearm becomes a firearm in the eyes of BATF, that classification is then the one used by the UK to classify it here, isn't it?
so when a semi auto rifle is produced, BATF classify it. the gun, including its receiver are then forever classed in the UK as that? which is why with pistols etc, you can't just buy a revolver, throw the cylinder in the bin and make it a front stuffer.
so if they (BATF) have classified a component as something which is controlled (as you say, losely as it doesn't need to be on ticket, you just need the permission for the right rifle) wouldn't the UK take that classification in the same way?
So what did you learn after six pages of debate and a email to the Home office enlighten us. Did the original poster manage to find a answer to his question about the thread size of his flash hider.Sent.
I'd like nothing more than to be proven wrong at this point, we'll wait and see.
Hunter87 wrote:
Tattooedgun I think it's rather funny that for someone who says in a previous post they dont care either way you have spent the whole day posting and searching for evidence about the subject.
The things I do to learn legislation surrounding firearms law...
I'm still waiting on a reply from the HO on classification of the item in particular and also how flash hiders are controlled, whether they should or not be controlled like moderators.Alpha1 wrote:So what did you learn after six pages of debate and a email to the Home office enlighten us. Did the original poster manage to find a answer to his question about the thread size of his flash hider.Sent.
I'd like nothing more than to be proven wrong at this point, we'll wait and see.
Hunter87 wrote:
Tattooedgun I think it's rather funny that for someone who says in a previous post they dont care either way you have spent the whole day posting and searching for evidence about the subject.
The things I do to learn legislation surrounding firearms law...
It looks like the Home Office agree with my understanding of the law, and as such flash hiders require a slot on firearms certificate.Dear Mr Gough,
Thank you for your e-mail of 24 September in which you seek Home Office clarification as to whether flash suppressors are restricted and require inclusion on a firearm certificate.
As you have set out, Section 57(1) of the Firearms Act 1968 (as amended) states:
In this Act, the expression " firearm " means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged and includes-
(a) any prohibited weapon, whether it is such a lethal
weapon as aforesaid or not ; and
(b) any component part of such a lethal or prohibited
weapon ; and
(c) any accessory to any such weapon designed or adapted
to diminish the noise or flash caused by firing the
weapon ;
and so much of section 1 of this Act as excludes any description
of firearm from the category of firearms to which that section
applies shall be construed as also excluding component parts of,
and accessories to, firearms of that description.
Therefore, I can confirm that section 57(1)(c) covers flash suppressors or such items to diminish the noise or flash caused by the firing of a weapon.
Like sound moderators, flash suppressors are subject to certificate control as “items designed to reduce the noise or flash of a firearm” and you will therefore require good reason to possess them. Flash suppressors are also subject to import licence controls.
Further advice relating to licensing control and firearms certificates may be obtained from your local Police Firearms Licensing Department.
I hope that this deals satisfactorily with your enquiry.
Yours sincerely
N Drummond
