Still looking for a club :( this is getting silly

[Taha]

Obvious troll/journalist is obvious.

i was beginning to wonder if it was only me, not giving a straight answer to wether he has applied to one of the premier clubs near him (tondu)


greenshoots

Sorry Greenshoots, I thought I'd responded to you. I haven't applied to Tondu, but have got a date to go to see the chaps at Penarth, and am waiting to hear about range days from Mike @ FCSA and also Frome.

If those don't pan out, Tondu is in reserve!

Thanks again for your help!

[Chapuis]

Have a look at http://monmouthrifleclub.co.uk/
There is currently a waiting list but it may still be worth contacting the secretary.

[Taha]

murder to be illegal but the difference between countries where a person can, on the spur of a moment or after planning, go out and murder dozens of people IS the availability of firearms.

So someone needs a firearm to kill dozens of people. The twin towers were brought down by terrorist with box cutters. People were killed in Boston by a homemade bomb. People were killed in Oklahoma by a homemade bomb. A pilot flew his plane into the ground killing 150 people. etc etc. You don't need firearms to kill people, you are falling for the anti gun propaganda. Follow your logic and ban all firearms in the UK and it will help prevent people being murdered, except for those that are killed by knives, and the other numerous ways people are murdered. And of course those murdered by people with illegal firearms.

It's absolutely true that he could go out and try to do the same with a knife or his fists but both of those are less dangerous than an assault rifle. If I'm unarmed I'm much more likely to fancy my chances against one man with a knife or his fists because all I really need to do is pin him down and control his weapon hand

What about if he had a pump action shotgun, or a 10/22 semi / auto rifle. Both easy to get legally in the UK.

You are taking what I'm saying beyond my intentions. All I'm saying is that easier access to guns for everyone = easier access to guns for the insane too and sometimes that has very negative consequences. That's a pretty simple, self evident statement that is surely hard to disagree with.

And for the record, I don't believe weapons should be banned, but well regulated. Whether the UK's regulations are overly restrictive is up for debate and in my opinion probably true. Some users here have tried to tell me that 'there are huge numbers of regulations on weapons in the USA' but let's be honest, in comparison to places like the UK it's still MUCH easier to get a weapon over there than it is here. I honestly believe that if it was as difficult to get your hands on a firearm in the USA as it is in the UK, there would be fewer deaths every year.

However, I do agree that this wouldn't make murder impossible and of course it wouldn't banish it from society as a whole, since as you pointed out there are murders with all kinds of non firearm weapons. But it would curtail one of the major routes that people take in crimes of passion etc.

So to be clear, I'm of the opinion that weapons should be fairly hard to get your hands on and only after a decent amount of criminal records and medical history checks. I'm not advocating for an outright ban. I'm an avid shooter and believe in the value of the shooting sports for law abiding people.

[Taha]

Obvious troll/journalist is obvious.

I'm a doctor.

I think maybe the fact that I'm for robust gun regulations (not outright bans) over a completely unregulated situation is because of the things I've seen with gun injuries and deaths.

Ever seen a man with his whole face hanging off (and I really do mean that) after being shot in the side of the head? I have. Not pleasant!

[Taha]

It's clear that we all have varying opinions.

I think we should agree to disagree on this.

I look forward to seeing some of you whenever I sort out range days at the clubs I'm in contact with.

Thank you again everyone for your help in suggesting clubs for me to contact.

:)

[Chuck]

good luck with your search Taha..

Taha:

Not even close mate. I'm a doctor.

I think maybe the fact that I'm for robust gun regulations (not outright bans) over a completely unregulated situation is because of the things I've seen with gun injuries and deaths.

Ever seen a man with his whole face hanging off (and I really do mean that) after being shot in the side of the head? I have. Not pleasant!

Hmm so how do we deal with teenagers on the p1ss, husbands and wives who can inflict sickening damage with other implements / or with hands and feet. What about cars etc...some pretty horrific stuff there too. Power tools are also dangerous, as are hammers and Stanley knives - and broken tumblers and Irn Bru bottles..

Be careful what you wish for Taha - rules mean nothing to anyone except the law abiding. How about more stringent criminal control???

[zanes]

Obvious troll/journalist is obvious.

I'm a doctor.

Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. It is painfully obvious that either you're not seriously looking to become a HO approved club member (how would you ever trust yourself with one of these things), or if you are there's probably good reason that clubs aren't taking you on- I shudder to think what your reaction is when you see something like a 15-22 on the range.

I think maybe the fact that I'm for robust gun regulations (not outright bans) over a completely unregulated situation is because of the things I've seen with gun injuries and deaths.

Ever seen a man with his whole face hanging off (and I really do mean that) after being shot in the side of the head? I have. Not pleasant!

That was with a legally held and registered firearm, I take it?

Do you apply the same logic to all the other injuries you see?

[ordnance]

Ever seen a man with his whole face hanging off (and I really do mean that) after being shot in the side of the head? I have. Not pleasant!

As others have said I don't see the difference in that and someone having their head caved in with a baseball bat. I am sure that wouldn't be pleasant to look at either. Thousands were shot here, and legally owned firearms were never an issue.

[bradaz11]

i was beginning to wonder if it was only me, not giving a straight answer to whether he has applied to one of the premier clubs near him (tondu)


greenshoots

looking at their website, Tondu seems to be mainly geared for .22 or BP. with only one range mentioning pistol calibers. is it just a case of their website being out of date, or are they mainly a .22 club?

[Sixshot6]

Obvious troll/journalist is obvious.

I'm a doctor.

Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. It is painfully obvious that either you're not seriously looking to become a HO approved club member (how would you ever trust yourself with one of these things), or if you are there's probably good reason that clubs aren't taking you on- I shudder to think what your reaction is when you see something like a 15-22 on the range.

I think maybe the fact that I'm for robust gun regulations (not outright bans) over a completely unregulated situation is because of the things I've seen with gun injuries and deaths.

Ever seen a man with his whole face hanging off (and I really do mean that) after being shot in the side of the head? I have. Not pleasant!

That was with a legally held and registered firearm, I take it?

Do you apply the same logic to all the other injuries you see?

There is a reason why Health can never be run fully by just doctors, same reason you can't leave defense to the generals to quote a famous French politician.