Scotland to introduce airgun licensing law

[Gaz]

One joule is supposedly the threshold of lethality down in civilised Britain as well. In theory shooting someone with an airsoft gun loaded with a 0.2 gram BB producing a muzzle velocity of 330ft/sec would count as attacking them with a firearm. I can't remember precisely where I read it - somewhere in some Home Office document on airguns and lethality, probably - but apparently 1 joule is the ME considered sufficient to penetrate skin and thus potentially inflict lethal injury.

(by my shonky maths the above figures produce a muzzle energy of 1.01J. I'm probably wrong, but it's more about the principle than the numbers)

[Chuck]

It's a letter from Alex Salmond, when he sat in Westminster. I wrote to him originally over the Dunblane massacre. Salmond, in late 1996 stated in a letter to me that it was the SNP's position that there was no place in Scottish society for any type of gun.

Meanwhile Police Scotland are keeping the streets safe for muggers, petty thugs, thieves and now rapists in (a very ethnic part of) Glasgow.

Salmond and his henchmen are impotent when it comes to drugs, footie violence, general thuggery, domestic abuse etc etc , the man and his catamite lover McArsekill (who loves unfit parents and drug dealers) are pure scum. Sooner the Scots wake up from their booze and Daily Retard fuddled dreams and get shot of these numpties the better. They are in for one almighty shock if they vote YES!

[Blackstuff]

So they're planning on running it to the FAC, rather than SGC regime, brilliant(!) How many new prisons are they planning on building if this gets passed?

Where did you see that? I've read it a couple of times and I'm still not sure which way they're going to run it.

Sorry i missed this - i meant in terms of having to provide a 'good reason' and the burdon of proof lying with the applicant to prove 'fitness', rather that with the police to prove 'unfitness' to have the cert

[bitfield]

In that case can I not only be the first to openly welcome you to the forum,

Thanks!

but in a small effort to continue your post, suggest that you offer to put your money where your opinions are & pay for the Scottish based forum members air weapons certificates...

Only £150 per person

Where have you seen this figure?

[saddler]

but in a small effort to continue your post, suggest that you offer to put your money where your opinions are & pay for the Scottish based forum members air weapons certificates...

Only £150 per person

Where have you seen this figure?

What contrary information are you party to?
Are you a Scottish resident?

An E.C. Firearm Passport is free issue in the UK...covers whatever F.A.C./S.G.C. items you need to take into the E.C. for competitions/hunting, etc.

A Visitor A."W".C. for people entering Scotland is proposed at a MIMINUM of £20, for a permit with limited validity/duration

The proposed A."W".C. fee that I have been told about is £30 per year

[bitfield]

The proposed A."W".C. fee that I have been told about is £30 per year

That sounds a lot more reasonable and in line with FAC fees. Honestly, if you can't stump up thirty quid for a ticket, you're not going to be able to get much of an air rifle.

What's wrong with making sure someone with a deadly weapon is fit to hold it and has somewhere appropriate to use it? And what is qualitatively different about an air .22 as opposed to a rimfire that means it shouldn't be subject to the same controls?

[HALODIN]

"Deadly"...??? I believe the difference is about 68lb.ft in terms of muzzle velocity.

[Gaz]

The proposed A."W".C. fee that I have been told about is £30 per year

That sounds a lot more reasonable and in line with FAC fees. Honestly, if you can't stump up thirty quid for a ticket, you're not going to be able to get much of an air rifle.

What's wrong with making sure someone with a deadly weapon is fit to hold it and has somewhere appropriate to use it? And what is qualitatively different about an air .22 as opposed to a rimfire that means it shouldn't be subject to the same controls?

Are you a shooter?

I ask purely from curiosity.

[HALODIN]

I've spoken out of turn, the difference could be up to 180lb.ft. In terms of muzzle velocity a .22 rimfire rifle could be 9 times more powerful than a .22 air rifle. They're not in the same class.

"Deadly"...??? I believe the difference is about 68lb.ft in terms of muzzle velocity.

[saddler]

The proposed A."W".C. fee that I have been told about is £30 per year

That sounds a lot more reasonable and in line with FAC fees. Honestly, if you can't stump up thirty quid for a ticket, you're not going to be able to get much of an air rifle.

What's wrong with making sure someone with a deadly weapon is fit to hold it and has somewhere appropriate to use it?
And what is qualitatively different about an air .22 as opposed to a rimfire that means it shouldn't be subject to the same controls?

"In line with FAC fees"!!
HOW, by being triple their current levels? (oops, sorry, maybe you meant the proposed fees once A.C.P.O. Ltd. PLC have spun their bullsh1t with the meedja?)
And HOW is a £20 min., Visitor Permit for an airgun "in line" when and F.A.C. or S.G.C. Passport is FREE for travel to the E.C.
AND
HOW is £30 per year "more reasonable" when in the U.K. at present there is NO FEE liable for owning an airgun, nor has there ever been??

Hell, a normal British Passport requires a similar level of checks to an F.A.C./S.G.C. yet is substantially cheaper than the A.C.P.O. proposals: WHY IS THAT? Incompetence? Inefficiency? or just back door restrictions?

Er, "deadly weapon"....right...
Your lack of knowledge on the ballistic difference between a sub 12ft/lb air rifle & a .22 rimfire is astounding; it's ALMOST as if you are only on here to push the A."W".C. agenda/Bill...and that's not even asking you to compare a .22 rim-fire with a 1Joule-energy BBgun...as the latter is also subject to the new Bill.
CURRENT UK Law states that "dangerous" airguns DO have to be on an F.A.C. - i.e. those air rifles that are above 12ft/lb in power; or did you NOT already know that?

I ask again:
What contrary information are you party to? (though from your recent post, I'd say none that has any bearing outside of your secure unit...)
Are you a Scottish resident?

OR

just tell us, which department work for in Holyrood?
Been an S.N.P. member for long, or just an employee of theirs?