New laws coming?

[Fedaykin]

Can the Home Secretary read Russian and Cyrillic text Snayperskya? If not I see a flaw in your plan...

[Woodworm]

You will all have to excuse my lack of cut copy paste type computer skills, but if you have a look at Dorking and district rifle clubs web page under recent posts (potential ban update) it makes god awful reading! it seems that a few years ago the decision was made to royally screw us over, more than normal and it does affect EVERYONE.

If there is someone thats more computer savvy I really think a new thread should be started with a link to it.

Unfortunately a lot of people don't look at this forum (shame) so i've started to type out a A4 to leave at my local ranges and gun shops to try and get it out there what is happening to our hobby/sport/ job/passion.
Colin

[Hrun]

They are playing the long game.. the gun ban has been happening for 100 years now..

Given the miniscule percentage of 65 million people in the country that shoot, it is on track.

Nothing will change as we cannot even support each other, I just hope guns are not completely banned in my lifetime as I share my hobby with Mrs Hrun. The next generation can look after themselves as far as I am concerned, and good luck!

[GeeRam]

You will all have to excuse my lack of cut copy paste type computer skills, but if you have a look at Dorking and district rifle clubs web page under recent posts (potential ban update) it makes god awful reading! it seems that a few years ago the decision was made to royally screw us over, more than normal and it does affect EVERYONE.

If there is someone thats more computer savvy I really think a new thread should be started with a link to it.

From above....

The message below came to me via a source – it shows what further measures the Police would like. If you dont have a MARS and think a Lever Release isnt included or that this doesnt apply to you – they will get to you eventually so please act now to stop additional legislation

The below was obtained by a shooting organisation through a FOIA request, it is from an ACPO – whatever it is now called – position paper from 2015. We have no reason to doubt its authenticity and much fits with long standing police aims. They are now working through their ‘wish list’ to be done in stages as the opportunity arises and of course depending how much fuss is kicked up by shooting organisations and the shooting community (that’s us).


* End Section 2 – all to be Section 1. They have been trying for this since 1973 – latest excuse is that it will be more efficient and cheaper to have one certificate. Rubbish and the potential impact on shotgun ownership is huge

* All, yes all, semi-automatic firearms to be prohibited as Section 5. If it has to be done in stages they’ll do shotguns first and then .22 RF – starting by changing law to say that nothing bigger than .22 RF is permitted in semi-auto

* Introduction of magazine capacity limits for rifles – not specified but assume 10 or possibly less, 5?

* Reclassification of LBR and LBP to Section 5 and therefore prohibited – they have never liked them and claim people can saw down the barrels to make them pistols

* End the miniature rifle range exemptions which the police claim allows an unregistered trade in .22 RF rifles. Again they have never liked the old exemptions and have tried to deny their use over the years

* Prohibit .50 calibre by moving to Section 5 as per current proposal

* Airguns – ‘further restrictions should be placed on such weapons’. The announced consultation is to determine whether England should follow Scotland and licence as firearms. Police will claim it’s an anomaly in England and therefore the law should be standard across the UK so licensing for England is necessary

* Old spec deacts – police want to make it a criminal offence to be in possession of a deactivated firearm that has not been deactivated to the CURRENT standard. Anyone with an old spec deactivated firearm will have to have it done to the current standard if they wish to keep it. Creates lots of new criminals. Coincidentally the Government has now stopped its prison closure programme…….

* Antiques – requirement for antique dealers to keep registers like RFDs do for non-antiques. Reclassification of some antiques to Section 1

* ‘Shotgun cartridges to be licensed’ – not sure what this means given you have to produce a certificate when buying – assume it means the same treatment as Section 1 ammunition, limits on numbers held and entry of each purchase on certificate

* Mandatory training and testing of individuals before a certificate is issued. Not clear who does the training and decides if a person meets the standard

* New powers of entry to search without a warrant – they may have got this already, or claim to have. Basically it’s to allow them to take firearms from a certificate holder without having to show good reason

* Abolishing court appeals on firearms certification matters. Courts to be replaced by a ‘non-binding tribunal’. Currently the police are bound by court decisions but a tribunal would limit the rights of the individual and for the police to be unaccountable. This is quite worrying as it would enable to Police to make up the law and do what they want without proper oversight

* ‘Family members’ to be consulted prior to grant or renewal of a certificate on the suitability of the applicant. Police want this to find ‘evidence’ of non-suitability. ‘Have often do you argue with your spouse?’ ……

* The current Home Office Guidelines on Firearms law to become mandatory and binding – but only after the police have re-written them.

[snayperskaya]

Can the Home Secretary read Russian and Cyrillic text Snayperskya? If not I see a flaw in your plan...

A Commisar from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs handled the translation Tovarisch

On a serious note every shooting enthusiast in the country should respond whether they have a .50/MARS/Lever Release or not as it may well be their firearm that's next in line.

[Chuck]

If HM Gov were "bandwagonning" on the Bump stock hysteria, this seems to be happening:

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/10/24/bu ... ead-water/

[Hrun]

If HM Gov were "bandwagonning" on the Bump stock hysteria, this seems to be happening:

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/10/24/bu ... ead-water/

But, unlike the US republic, we have a democratic elected government which in my experience means they do what they want with little scrutiny and the latest gun grab affects a minority who the public don't care about.. I have done what I can, but expect the grab to go ahead as per the master plan..

[Dellboy]

If HM Gov were "bandwagonning" on the Bump stock hysteria, this seems to be happening:

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/10/24/bu ... ead-water/

But, unlike the US republic, we have a democratic elected government which in my experience means they do what they want with little scrutiny and the latest gun grab affects a minority who the public don't care about.. I have done what I can, but expect the grab to go ahead as per the master plan..

more likely a brocock deal where no compo is paid

[Hrun]

If HM Gov were "bandwagonning" on the Bump stock hysteria, this seems to be happening:

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/10/24/bu ... ead-water/

But, unlike the US republic, we have a democratic elected government which in my experience means they do what they want with little scrutiny and the latest gun grab affects a minority who the public don't care about.. I have done what I can, but expect the grab to go ahead as per the master plan..

more likely a brocock deal where no compo is paid

Any compo will be less than they paid to the DUP to prop up the government and less than migrants cost per day.. Bargain if your plan is to totally disarm the sheep.. but a joke as apart from criminals the sheep are already disarmed.

[HH1]

They are now working through their ‘wish list’ to be done in stages as the opportunity arises and of course depending how much fuss is kicked up by shooting organisations and the shooting community (that’s us).


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If they get their full "wish list" I'll be loosing at least 6 of my favourite guns