The UK's Finest Independent Forum for Shooters and Gun Owners. Est 2010.

lapua338 wrote:I've written so many letters that corresponding with officialdom is becoming rather tedious.

Is it any wonder that individuals become radicalised due to their mistreatment and marginalisation in an apparently hostile culture?

It won't be long before the authorities label those that protest the EU anti-gun agenda as extremists.

You make a very good point there !!

They have already demonised us.

The next logical step would be to label us as extremists.

I've just emailed the BASC asking them what they plan to do & that I expect them to fight on my behalf, watch this space.

Just had a call from Christopher Graffius Director of Communications at BASC & he assures me that they are putting every thing they've got into fighting this legislation & are in constant dialogue with the Home Office & EU shooting Organisations.

I must admit I'm feeling a bit better after chatting to him.

I know that this is a touchy subject - especially on an open forum

But many of us here - if not the majority - are ex military

In addition to enjoying the technicalities and challenges of shooting we, (though would never admit it) feel that we, at least, have the means to 'look after ourselves'

Government would love to dis-empower us - replacing that self sufficiency with the 'chinless wonders' from the civil service - and a police force so totally out of its depth that it could not hope to render assistance in the event of a major crisis.

It is far easier to control an unarmed clueless population - however criminals and terrorists are neither clueless nor unarmed

Discretion is the better part of valour.

indeed - and I've stuck my neck out to make such a comment - but it is one of the elephants in the room - if I get struck down - so be it

It won't be long before the authorities label those that protest the EU anti-gun agenda as extremists.

They would love that to happen - simple way of avoiding dissent or discussion, just label you. We're far too good at that nonsense these days.

Meanwhile the POTUS and a private citizen with armed guards and a nanny state mentality conspire to screw the Americans..

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/12/17 ... ve-actions

The problem is it might effect us all. We're licensed for target or vermin, not zombies or whatever else that might be interpreted as. Excuse the pun, but in the current climate, let's not given them ammunition to use against us.

bowji John wrote:if I get struck down - so be it

Just got this back from UKIP who seem to think it will go through

Thank you for your email to Mr Farage, apologies for the delay in responding to you, we have had a considerable number of emails on this subject. 

 

At Mr Farage's request I have discussed this issue in detail with colleagues, and listened in person to the views of Registered Firearms Dealers.  The EU Commission's draft law has not yet been discussed in the relevant European Parliamentary Committee, so we are not in a position to comment on the detail.  However three points are very clear.

 

First, the weapons used in the Paris atrocity, and more generally the weapons used in most terrorist attacks, are illegally-held weapons.  Changing the law on legal gun ownership is therefore unlikely to have any significant impact on the availability of illegal weapons to terrorists.  Indeed the EU is clearly the problem, not the solution. 

 

There is extensive evidence that for example Croatia, which recently joined the EU, is a hotbed of smuggling – not only of arms, but also of drugs, people and human organs.  It has also been said (and it is no exaggeration) that free movement of goods and people in the EU (and especially the Schengen area) has led to free movement of Kalashnikovs.

 

Secondly, so far as we understand it the UK already has some of the tightest regulations on firearms in the world.  We do not believe that further legislation at the EU level will make any additional contribution to public safety.  In any case we in UKIP are opposed in principle to any extension of competences at the EU level.

 

Thirdly, I understand that the proposed means of deactivating weapons will prevent inspection of the moving parts, actually making it more difficult to identify a weapon with a false certificate of deactivation.

 

I can therefore confirm that UKIP will be opposing the new EU Firearms proposal.  Sadly, however, we fear it will be approved anyway.  There is nothing MEPs like more than a nice piece of gesture politics in response to public concern – whether or not their gesture has any practical effect.

 

Kind regards

 

Benjamin

 

The Office of Nigel Farage, Brussels

Chuck wrote:

It won't be long before the authorities label those that protest the EU anti-gun agenda as extremists.

They would love that to happen - simple way of avoiding dissent or discussion, just label you. We're far too good at that nonsense these days.

Meanwhile the POTUS and a private citizen with armed guards and a nanny state mentality conspire to screw the Americans..

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/12/17 ... ve-actions

I think it has already started with the label "assault rifle".

And continues with "firearms that resemble military rifles"

They are more concerned with labels than with facts aaarggh