EU Proposals Now Inc's MAGAZINES (FAC variation required!)

[TattooedGun]

It worries me just how "over the barrel" we are not only by our own government, but also a bunch of self-elected parasites in the EU.

"Restrospective criminalisation of the people, collective punishment"

That's what it feels like.

We're possibly the MOST law abiding of people in order to be able to participate in our sport, hobbies or work and we are the most susceptible people to the whims of those in power.

[Chuck]

It worries me just how "over the barrel" we are not only by our own government, but also a bunch of self-elected parasites in the EU.

"Restrospective criminalisation of the people, collective punishment"

That's what it feels like.

We're possibly the MOST law abiding of people in order to be able to participate in our sport, hobbies or work and we are the most susceptible people to the whims of those in power.

No mate, that is what it IS and it is illegal AFIK under all this EU bullcrud.. Restrospective criminalisation - just NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Itb was legal THEN and is NOW and always will be. Is this not a recent phnomenon: making people criminals, started with liebour and 3600 new laws under their regime - all designed to make you a criminal one way or another.

One thing though, hiding in a corner and saying nothing will not make this nonsense go away!

[TattooedGun]

It worries me just how "over the barrel" we are not only by our own government, but also a bunch of self-elected parasites in the EU.

"Restrospective criminalisation of the people, collective punishment"

That's what it feels like.

We're possibly the MOST law abiding of people in order to be able to participate in our sport, hobbies or work and we are the most susceptible people to the whims of those in power.

No mate, that is what it IS and it is illegal AFIK under all this EU bullcrud.. Restrospective criminalisation - just NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Itb was legal THEN and is NOW and always will be. Is this not a recent phnomenon: making people criminals, started with liebour and 3600 new laws under their regime - all designed to make you a criminal one way or another.

One thing though, hiding in a corner and saying nothing will not make this nonsense go away!

How do you suggest we fight?

[Hunter87]

The scare mongering gets old quickly

[Sim G]

23rd of June 2016...

[bradaz11]

well i've sent an email off to various meps

[Sixshot6]

I emailed Vicky Ford, should I email others?

[bradaz11]

got a response, my email below hers.... and I borrowed the bullet points from an earlier post, Vicky sounds like a good person, but as she says, there are more people involved than her, and multiple facets to all this rubbish

I've replied that I think its rubbish, and that if they must be controlled, they should be treated as primers are, but it would impact collectors etc.

Dear Stuart

Thank you for this. I am leading the negotiations for the internal market committee. This is the main committee and I am hoping to have a much more workable text.

You make excellent excellent points.

The Belgian police forces have suggested that sales of magazines needs to be better controlled as in the run up to the Paris attack the terrorists were buying large quantities of magazines. However i have heard many strong arguments that a registration of magazines would be totally disproportionate, expensive and unworkable. Therefore in my own report I was not intending to require this.

I have wondered whether a compromise -if necessary- it would be appropriate for sales of magazines to be treated similar to sales of ammunition.

What are your thoughts?



Vicky Ford
MEP
Sent from my phone

> On 8 Mar 2016, at 5:10 pm, stuart bradley <bradaz11@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> This message was also sent to: Patrick O'Flynn MEP, David Campbell
> Bannerman MEP, Geoffrey Van Orden MEP, Stuart Agnew MEP, Richard Howitt
> MEP, Tim Aker MEP
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> I know you must be getting inundated by emails at this time, but I feel
> something must be said.
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> on seeing this;
> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... V0%2F%2FEN
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> it appears that there is ammendment that suggests the registration of
> magazines. This has been suggested numerous times and each time it has
> proved unworkable and rightly so. Having to apply for variations etc
> for magazines would take the already stretched system beyond breaking
> point, the same as airgun licensing is going to do with Police
> Scotland.
>
> They are also proposing the plan is to apply this retrospectively (no
> 'grandfather clause') with a declaration turnaround of 1 year, after
> which presumably any unregistered magazines would attract the same
> penalty as being in possession of a full firearm
>
> have they considered any of the below?
>
> - Number of magazines already in circulation
> - How would plastic magazines be permanently stamped
> - Would the magazine factory need to know beforehand the serial number
> of the gun it would fit or would they get their own individual number?
> How would the numbering system work considering the number of producers
> and number of magazines being made?
> - Collectable magazines worth ruined by stamping/historic interest
> harmed
> - Massive admin/cost burden on firearms licensing departments (backlog
> for existing mags, magazines are disposable items especially for
> competition shooters and need to be frequently replaced)
> - Magazines can be easily made outside of 'controlled' environments
> (i.e. 3D printing)
>
> currently gun owners seemingly are being persecuted for something none
> of them are responsible for, add that to the current slow down imposed
> on all licence holders by the Police through the issuing staff, where
> departments have had staff numbers slashed and the role is being
> performed by serving officers, where no doubt in April the Police will
> be asking for bigger budgets and fees due to their incompetence and
> staff cuts.
>
> thank you for your time
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Stuart Bradley

[breacher]

I had a visit from Police re a very large box of mags posted to me.

Just wanted to check I was not a terrorist stockpiling !

Got talking - and its clear that Police and Govt are concerned with mags.

They know that a practiced shooter with a bolt or straight pull is just as fast as a semi auto and that the quantity of mags dictate his rate of fire. And how long he could hold out if besieged.

It worries them that in theory that a FAC holder can have 1000 rounds in magazines ready to go, and be committing no offence under current legislation.

He said that the discussions he was privy to, related to "controlling" magazines like shotgun cartridges. Ie, must show FAC with slot for a rifle re that particular magazine. And a maximum number of mags possessed.

He said they had pretty much discounted serially numbering them as it would be an admin nightmare.

[saddler]

Had "a knock on the door" just after the handgun ban, as I'd been buying in a fair few Glock magazines from Europe for a mate that had just moved to the USA. Ended up on a watch list for a while as a result - so YES, magazines are not a new "concern" with the ivory tower policy enforcers.

Why not stripper clips though & chargers too?
I store a fair few of my reloaded rifle rounds ON their designated 5-rd clips, or the 10-rd clips for the 5.56 & the .223.
Add in a mag. charger guide & you can refill a 20-rd or 30-rd AR magazine very rapidly.