Blackstuff wrote:
My own clubs get your serial numbers with each renewal and assign the gun a number (1-10 etc), so then you can just write a number or the make/model of the gun in the book rather than the serial number.
Just found this in the BASC magazine that's dropped through my door today:
Warning to Clubs on Gun data security
Wildfowling clubs and shooting syndicates are being warned not to keep records of members gun details or certificates and destroy any they currently hold. BASC works with the National Crime Agency on firearm security to make sure that members are kept abreast of the law and take proper precautions against theft of their guns and data. We aware that some clubs and syndicates keep records of their members guns, including copies of certificates. However, we are concerned that this practice could lead to loss or theft of information which might give criminals the locations where guns are stored.......
Not only is the retention of certificate copies irrelevant, it could contravene the Data Protection Act 1988. As such BASC advises clubs to destroy any archived certificate data or copies. Certificate holders are under no obligation to supply such data / copies as part of the joining process, and clubs should not make it a requirement of membership.
Blackstuff wrote:
My own clubs get your serial numbers with each renewal and assign the gun a number (1-10 etc), so then you can just write a number or the make/model of the gun in the book rather than the serial number.
Just found this in the BASC magazine that's dropped through my door today:
Warning to Clubs on Gun data security
Wildfowling clubs and shooting syndicates are being warned not to keep records of members gun details or certificates and destroy any they currently hold. BASC works with the National Crime Agency on firearm security to make sure that members are kept abreast of the law and take proper precautions against theft of their guns and data. We aware that some clubs and syndicates keep records of their members guns, including copies of certificates. However, we are concerned that this practice could lead to loss or theft of information which might give criminals the locations where guns are stored.......
Not only is the retention of certificate copies irrelevant, it could contravene the Data Protection Act 1988. As such BASC advises clubs to destroy any archived certificate data or copies. Certificate holders are under no obligation to supply such data / copies as part of the joining process, and clubs should not make it a requirement of membership.
worth thinking about.
Yes, but there are far greater risks to your security....
Imagine Nick B wants something a newish member is selling on here, pays and gives his home address to send it to.
The seller now has Nicks name, address, and his full list of firearms from his signature..
Daryll wrote:
Yes, but there are far greater risks to your security....
Imagine Nick B wants something a newish member is selling on here, pays and gives his home address to send it to.
The seller now has Nicks name, address, and his full list of firearms from his signature..
That's a true enough scenario - and as you point out there's a list of firearms in my sig, the onus is therefore on me to keep my address details private. When the club (or a club I'm a visiting shooter at) has my details - the onus is on them and I have no control of that.
My point and indeed BASC's original point still stands - there are a number of clubs in this country, that are easier to locate by virtue of their existence and public sources of info (NRA Website - list of clubs for eg) which could therefore be targeted by ne'er do wells. But home address details of FAC holders aren't in the public domain, therefore clubs could well be a likely vector to gain said info.
To deal with your specific point of purchasing from members - that's a timely reminder - in my case I have bought from members on here that I know to be RFD's - that info is publicly verifiable, and there are 2 occasions where I have bought from members that I cannot verify - in that case - caveat emptor. I felt safe enough however in that the two members I'm thinking of - are very, very well known on this forum.
>Villain parks outside shooting range - watches people load guns into car - follows car home - burgles home at his leisure<
Villain follows my car - after 150 miles villain runs out of petrol - I'm safe in the knowledge my car is very economical and a villain's boredom threshold is very low.
I've even heard tales of people going to motorbike meets, chatting to owners of expensive bikes and getting as much personal information out of them as possible then looking at the dealers logo on the bottom of the number plate, getting a rough idea of where they might live - putting it all together then nicking the bike one evening.
Rockhopper wrote:Villain parks outside shooting range - watches people load guns into car - follows car home - burgles home at his leisure.
Fantasy you might think but this happens quite regularly at mountain bike trail centres.
I'd argue thats a much greater risk to your security than theft of data from a gun club.
Villain parks outside range, wathes me load guns on motorbike, tries to keep up, Bwahahaha.
I make a point of never going onto my drive if there is another vehicle behind me on my road, I then have a look around and don't unload the car until the street is clear.
