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bigfathairybiker wrote:]
I haven't figured how to disable my O/U yet.

Fore end off or action pin out?

zanes wrote:

bigfathairybiker wrote:]
I haven't figured how to disable my O/U yet.

Fore end off or action pin out?

Only splits into three bits easily, stock+action, barrels, and fore end under bit.
Removing fore end doesn't disable gun.
I only have one cabinet big enough for stock+action or barrels.
Open to suggestions though...

Mark

doesn't the forend usually cock it?

bradaz11 wrote:doesn't the forend usually cock it?

They do, but unless you have removed the forend after firing and before opening the action, or pulled the trigger on empty chambers, a shotgun without a forend is a functioning gun. A lot of people who advise removing the forend, say if the gun is left in a car for a short while, forget this.

TomH wrote:

bradaz11 wrote:doesn't the forend usually cock it?

They do, but unless you have removed the forend after firing and before opening the action, or pulled the trigger on empty chambers, a shotgun without a forend is a functioning gun. A lot of people who advise removing the forend, say if the gun is left in a car for a short while, forget this.

I've often wondered about this as "removing the forearm" seems to be SoP to 'disable' an O/U. I've never tried firing mine without it on but can't see that it wouldn't work without it. Might give it a go with some blanks next time at the clay club.

As for bolts, the only bolt gun i have i remove the bolt but as has already been said, its to free space rather than additional security. Removing bolts from semi's is a carry on (or at least the ones i have it is) and could potentially lead to bad practices. I also doubt any crim would bother with a heavy, long bolt-action rifle when they saw whats standing next to it.

The justification for this comes from the 2015 Guidance to Police on Firearms Licensing Law:

19.28.
As an additional level of security, ammunition and easily removable component parts –
such as rifle bolts etc. – should be stored separately from the firearms they fit, if it is safe
and reasonable to do so and they may not been confused between firearms. This could be
either by use of a detached storage container fitted elsewhere in the dwelling, or one built
into or onto the firearms cabinet.

Not saying I agree with it and it is only guidance.

Gazoo wrote: "Northumbria used to ask for them out years ago but a lot of people had security like trigger locks and wall bolted chains back then before the British standard police gun box emerged."

My first FAC was a Northumbria one back in 1968 for 12 handguns, 4 rifles, 2 shotguns; there were no secure storage requirements and the FAC was 'open', meaning I could use any of them anywhere I had permission - the only condition being, quote, "can be used on any land by invitation". In fact the rifles and shotguns were kept inside my unlocked 'tallboy' wardrobe leaning against the back panel and the handguns (and all the ammo) in an unlocked drawer in the tallboy. Nobody ever came to inspect anything. Oh, and the Shotgun Certs then were 10 shillings (50p) bought over the counter at the Post Office. Happy days!

It all changed when I moved to London and the Met required a gun cabinet (I made one) and membership of a shooting club when I renewed my Northumbria FAC with them for a Met one.

Gazoo wrote:

zanes wrote:

Activ8 wrote:To add... GMP are also asking new holders to keep spent cartridges (shotgun initially but asking for any rifle cartridges too) for forensic use should any rifle be stolen. I was sent 6 evidence bags with my certificates & a long letter.
Maybe GMP are just being over the top? But they have said any visit will check the "conditions" noted, but they do not say as such on my FAC or SGC. Not a huge issue for me, not bothered if I need to put trigger locks on or store the bolt in the house. Rather be over the top myself than blasé about it at any point.

What. The. f***.

WTF ++
What if they ask you for mouth swabs as well, would you comply? I bloody wouldn't. Oh and bolts in for me and my Enfields, Sniders, and Martinis. Northumbria used to ask for them out years ago but a lot of people had security like trigger locks and wall bolted chains back then before the British standard police gun box emerged.

They are "asking" not telling you to keep them, at present it's an optional thing not compulsory luckily, so as such I've not taken them up on their offer. My reasoning is anyone could pick up a used cartridge/shell at the range & plant it at a crime scene... Implicating me! Long stretch of course but you never know & stranger things have happened.

Its a condition on my FAC that the bolt has to be stored separately.

ordnance wrote:Its a condition on my FAC that the bolt has to be stored separately.

Looks like you have to do that then, or ask them to alter the conditions.