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sandy22 wrote:O.k., 'fess up time. Sadly it is for real.

I didn't give background initially to try to avoid prejudicial answers.

If you read the clauses below, along with whoowhoop's "Attack on Shooting" thread, you will understand the background.

I would like to make a rebuttal submission along the lines of .......in all other all countries where handloading is allowed to private and club shooters it is permitted on a kitchen-table or garden shed basis, and the incidence of harm or damage is negligible, and certainly no more than for any other household or hobby activity involving hand tools and some flammable substances...

But I don't want to have it thrown back quoting several reputable countries where filling rooms are required and/or quoting known serious accidents like "Mr.X who burned down his neighbour's house because he was storing powder in the garage" or "Mrs.Y who had her hands blown off because her husband left primers in the kitchen."

DoJ Clauses:

Exemption of filling or carrying safety cartridges for private use
Se
c 41
–
1.
Nothing in this Act shall apply to the conveying for private use
and not for sale any safety cartridges to the amount allowed by
this Act to be kept for private use.
2.
Nothing in this Act shall apply to the filling by a person for
private use and not
for sale any safety cartridges to the amount
allowed by this Act to be kept for private use, provided such
filling is
-
a)
carried out only in a filling room in accordance with such
conditions relating to public safety or security as may be
imposed by a Govern
ment Inspector of Explosives and is;
b)
carried out by, or under the direct supervision of, a
competent person, and is
c)
carried out by a person who is a member of a club to
which an authorisation under section 4A (inserted by
section 33 of the Criminal Justice
Act 2006 (No. 26 of
2006)) has been granted.

.........

"filling room" means a room suitable for the filling or making of
cartridges,
(a)
which is located at
-
(1)
a shooting range in respect of which an
authorisation under section 4A (inserted by
section
33 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006) of the
Firearms Act 1925 has been granted, and
(2)
at a distance, specified by a Government Inspector
of Explosives from a store or magazine on that
shooting range; and
(b)
where such filling activity has been n
otified in advance, in
writing, to the licensor of the store or magazine, and to An
Garda Siochana

Dougan wrote:

sandy22 wrote:O.k., 'fess up time. Sadly it is for real.

I didn't give background initially to try to avoid prejudicial answers.

If you read the clauses below, along with whoowhoop's "Attack on Shooting" thread, you will understand the background.

I would like to make a rebuttal submission along the lines of .......in all other all countries where handloading is allowed to private and club shooters it is permitted on a kitchen-table or garden shed basis, and the incidence of harm or damage is negligible, and certainly no more than for any other household or hobby activity involving hand tools and some flammable substances...

But I don't want to have it thrown back quoting several reputable countries where filling rooms are required and/or quoting known serious accidents like "Mr.X who burned down his neighbour's house because he was storing powder in the garage" or "Mrs.Y who had her hands blown off because her husband left primers in the kitchen."

DoJ Clauses:

Exemption of filling or carrying safety cartridges for private use
Se
c 41
–
1.
Nothing in this Act shall apply to the conveying for private use
and not for sale any safety cartridges to the amount allowed by
this Act to be kept for private use.
2.
Nothing in this Act shall apply to the filling by a person for
private use and not
for sale any safety cartridges to the amount
allowed by this Act to be kept for private use, provided such
filling is
-
a)
carried out only in a filling room in accordance with such
conditions relating to public safety or security as may be
imposed by a Govern
ment Inspector of Explosives and is;
b)
carried out by, or under the direct supervision of, a
competent person, and is
c)
carried out by a person who is a member of a club to
which an authorisation under section 4A (inserted by
section 33 of the Criminal Justice
Act 2006 (No. 26 of
2006)) has been granted.

.........

"filling room" means a room suitable for the filling or making of
cartridges,
(a)
which is located at
-
(1)
a shooting range in respect of which an
authorisation under section 4A (inserted by
section
33 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006) of the
Firearms Act 1925 has been granted, and
(2)
at a distance, specified by a Government Inspector
of Explosives from a store or magazine on that
shooting range; and
(b)
where such filling activity has been n
otified in advance, in
writing, to the licensor of the store or magazine, and to An
Garda Siochana

Thanks for letting us know what the question was for...and good on ya for taking a stand.

I really do think a basic 'equity' argument would work; in that, as you say, there are way way more accidents involving many other unregulated activities at home like DIY and gardening...even if you can find some incidents of serious injury caused by handloading in the UK (I've not heard of any), it'd be nothing compared to the stats for gardening alone...

...I know of one person who permanently damaged his hand with a hedge trimmer, and someone even managed to accidentally cut his wife's head off (strange but true!) with one.

I saw some of the responses you got on the other forum (less sarcasm I noticed razz ) - The one of the guy with a cartridge case through his finger is quite impressive...but pneumatically powering your press ( ) is definately a DIY accident...not a handloading one...