Ammunition prices.....

[Fedaykin]

Just an observation but wasn't one of the reasons for the RUAG deal after BAE Systems stabbed civilian shooters in the back by stopping us buying RG was making sure there was good availability of consistent, accurate and affordable ammunition.

Kind of defeats the point if it is pushing £1 a shot...

100 of 168gr PPU match is running at the £65 mark currently.

[Alpha1]

Gaz wrote:

If only my Bisley club had a handloading area ... I'd happily compete at 40-50p/rd, especially with ammo I could precisely tailor to my rifle. But I simply don't have the facilities to handload.
no excuse Gaz! no need to buy the most expensive sooper doopa fashion kit, start simple and then work your way up if thats what rocks your boat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeEl9wZyabc you can also fit everything you need into a shoe box if you opt for a Lee handpress

Dannywayoflife

Yep the lee hand press is a good little piece of kit!

I can not think of any thing worse than trying to full length resize using a Lee hand press. You would need arms like Popeye. I don't believe any one in there right mind would want to full length resize using a lee hand press.
The video by the way describes how a Lee loader works nothing to do with a Lee hand press. The Lee hand press is a completely different piece of kit.

[hitchphil]

Just an observation but wasn't one of the reasons for the RUAG deal after BAE Systems stabbed civilian shooters in the back by stopping us buying RG .......

No, BAe land systems / GCSM were bidding for contracts for orders of magnitude greater than the supply of RG 155 NRA grade, but the damage to the company image from too many NRA / TR shooters moaning about ammo at the show case Imperial was arguably too great a threat to that? No brains 1million rounds at er 30p to NRA shooters or 25million per year for 10 years to squaddies of many nations who would put their life in trust that the darned thing would go off & be accurate when they needed it to be. Result mate a good one too, GB industry quids in vs 2000 NRA shooters lost out. Then there is a little nonsense called ITAR........ nuff said...

There is a known effect that RG accuracy went in cycles & I think that can be correlated with Radway replacing the dies, machines calibrations etc. There is a great little article in an old NRA mag, where some shooter (probably on here !) was given a pile of RG to help calibrate the old automatic self marking targets on Century he shot something like 48 vs of 50 rnds of RG ................ .mixed returned sighters from 10+ different batch's from over5 years imperials!

All things are relative RG still at what sub 40p/ bang? is good to about 1-1.25 moa in many rifles & chambers vs RWS good to 1/2-1moa but darned near 3 times the price. IMHO - RWS et-al want the sport to become F1, any expense goes in the pursuit of accuracy but that means 95% of the participants are relegated to the lower leagues.

I will be happily shooting RG all weekend. 2&10 at 3 distances long & short & have shot possibles before with it too.

Oh n my 40p RWS reloads i lob in 43-44.5ish grains of N140 or TR140 out of one of those lee volume measure thingys & seat the head to the std 7.62.51 spec & get 1/4 to 1/2 moa elevation variation to 600yds in any one of 4 rifles?, new RWS is 1/2-3/4 MOA elevation so what the F$$K do they do to muck it up!?

[kennyc]

Gaz wrote:

If only my Bisley club had a handloading area ... I'd happily compete at 40-50p/rd, especially with ammo I could precisely tailor to my rifle. But I simply don't have the facilities to handload.
no excuse Gaz! no need to buy the most expensive sooper doopa fashion kit, start simple and then work your way up if thats what rocks your boat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeEl9wZyabc you can also fit everything you need into a shoe box if you opt for a Lee handpress

Dannywayoflife

Yep the lee hand press is a good little piece of kit!

I can not think of any thing worse than trying to full length resize using a Lee hand press. You would need arms like Popeye. I don't believe any one in there right mind would want to full length resize using a lee hand press.
The video by the way describes how a Lee loader works nothing to do with a Lee hand press. The Lee hand press is a completely different piece of kit.

the Lee hand press is more than capable of full length resizing (I have used it on .308 and 7.5x55 ) Gaz is a burly young man, he can cope (older less burly people may prefer the extra leverage of a full size press, but they weren't being refered to razz ) the video was refering to the Lee loader, the hand press was put in as another option if space was still an issue tesnews

[Alpha1]

The Lee loader is a good bit of kit if you only want to neck size. Full length resizing with a Lee hand press is hard work not some thing I would want to do.

[Sim G]

Had no issues FL resizing .300 Win Mag and .45-70 with a Lee hand press.

[kennyc]

The Lee loader is a good bit of kit if you only want to neck size. Full length resizing with a Lee hand press is hard work not some thing I would want to do.

it certainly lets you know when the brass needs annealing, thats for sure !

[Gaz]

If only my Bisley club had a handloading area ... I'd happily compete at 40-50p/rd, especially with ammo I could precisely tailor to my rifle. But I simply don't have the facilities to handload.

no excuse Gaz! no need to buy the most expensive sooper doopa fashion kit, start simple and then work your way up if thats what rocks your boat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeEl9wZyabc you can also fit everything you need into a shoe box if you opt for a Lee handpress

Even I could work that! And if it fits into a shoebox... putting aside storage space for cases, bullets, powder (does that need to be stored securely like loaded ammo?), that's all very doable.

[kennyc]

If only my Bisley club had a handloading area ... I'd happily compete at 40-50p/rd, especially with ammo I could precisely tailor to my rifle. But I simply don't have the facilities to handload.

no excuse Gaz! no need to buy the most expensive sooper doopa fashion kit, start simple and then work your way up if thats what rocks your boat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeEl9wZyabc you can also fit everything you need into a shoe box if you opt for a Lee handpress

Even I could work that! And if it fits into a shoebox... putting aside storage space for cases, bullets, powder (does that need to be stored securely like loaded ammo?), that's all very doable.

reloading components need no special storage, unless you are using expanding, which should be stored as if live ammo.

[rox]

Even I could work that! And if it fits into a shoebox... putting aside storage space for cases, bullets, powder (does that need to be stored securely like loaded ammo?), that's all very doable.

These would be a very good start indeed. I made most of my CG training ammo on slightly older versions of these.

http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=17365

Get stuck in. Buy these and I'll give you 100 bullets to start you off (I'm not connected with the seller).

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