A lot of NDs

[Blackstuff]

Aren't most of these types of ND's caused when the gun is being reholstered, rather than drawn? i.e. The finger stays on the trigger and when putting it away the holster pushes the finger which in turn pushes the trigger?

[Chuck]

Oh there are lots of accidents on draw as well as reholstering.

Reholstering there's a tendency to cant the pistol to the body as the shooter searches for the holster, that's just lack of consistent wear and practice.

The other is where guns are carried on the person, like in the cheeks of their backside.

Here's what I was referring to earlier:

[ordnance]

Ordnance, maybe a wee bit of confusion here as to what I mean? I haven't tried pulling the trigger as I release the slide, must try it and find out what happens - not that breaking safety rules is a good idea

I see what you are saying, and you are right letting a slide forward with your finger in the trigger guard definitely not a good idea.

[Chuck]

:cheers: And in picture two a lack of applied safety is definitely NOT good this time..

[Dougan]

Safety catches are for those who cannot be trusted to stop faffing about with the trigger.

No they are not they are a backup in case the trigger is accidently pulled for whatever reason. Firearms manufacturers don't fit them for the fun of it.

Now that is the most sensible thing I have read for a long time.

I get sick to death of folk saying that a safety is a waste of time because you should not rely on them.

OK, we know that they are no compensation for good handling....on a range (which lets face it is where most of us handle the things these days), but during a momentary lapse of concentration, when you are going through thick brush, bouncing about in a vehicle, or turning with potentially a mate in the way..

..not to mention possibly being dehydrated, hypodermic, fatigued, sick, under pressure or just plain scared...

...If I were a soldier I'd prefer a side-arm with a safety on it.

[IainWR]

This thread has gone from a news article, through crockery, to Glocks and safeties, and a really useful discussion on the technical and procedural aspects of safeties on pistols, getting back somewhat to safeties on weapons generally.

I have a fair awareness of the ways one can cock up with mechanical devices (evaluation pilots go searching for such features so as to get them designed out while the product is still at the prototype stage). The classic with the Browning pistol was, when supplied with one charged magazine, having cleared the weapon one had to put the mag back in the gun to ease springs (and yes I do know about sticking one's finger up the pistol grip - I have small hands). Anyone who designs a weapon system (the system includes the processes) where one returns the ammo to the gun after clearing it in order to complete the unload, IMHO needs their head examined. But that is what we were taught. One action out of sequence, BANG.

Now, I still want to know:

How the hell one has an ND with an anti-tank weapon?
Which bits of the British armed forces use Smith & Wessons?
What were the guys that managed to shoot themselves with an SA80 doing?

Anyone?

[Maggot]

This thread has gone from a news article, through crockery, to Glocks and safeties, and a really useful discussion on the technical and procedural aspects of safeties on pistols, getting back somewhat to safeties on weapons generally.

I have a fair awareness of the ways one can cock up with mechanical devices (evaluation pilots go searching for such features so as to get them designed out while the product is still at the prototype stage). The classic with the Browning pistol was, when supplied with one charged magazine, having cleared the weapon one had to put the mag back in the gun to ease springs (and yes I do know about sticking one's finger up the pistol grip - I have small hands). Anyone who designs a weapon system (the system includes the processes) where one returns the ammo to the gun after clearing it in order to complete the unload, IMHO needs their head examined. But that is what we were taught. One action out of sequence, BANG.

Now, I still want to know:

How the hell one has an ND with an anti-tank weapon?
Which bits of the British armed forces use Smith & Wessons?
What were the guys that managed to shoot themselves with an SA80 doing?

Anyone?

Ha. I had forgotten about that one....I have quite big hands Ian but its a fair point.

ND with an anti tank weapon...yea, they all have triggers of one sort or another, although you would hope it was pointing in a safe direction before you made it ready....mind you the ones I handled/taught had some weird bits so anything is possible I guess.

Brits with smith and wessons.....we are both a long time out mate

Shooting themselves with an SA80....probably the only way you will kill anything much with the things!!

Good question tongueout

[Sim G]

S&W's, the Int Corps had some M39 and M59 in the 80's....!!

The British military have just had a pistol trial, so perhaps it was an evaluation model. I do know that they submitted a candidate.

ND with an AT weapon? Couldn't tell you how, but I would love to have seen his face!!

[Blackstuff]

Now, I still want to know:

How the hell one has an ND with an anti-tank weapon?
Which bits of the British armed forces use Smith & Wessons?
What were the guys that managed to shoot themselves with an SA80 doing?

Anyone?

1 & 3 - Bored squaddies arsing about?

[Chuck]

...If I were a soldier I'd prefer a side-arm with a safety on it.

Why mate? What benefit would that have for you?.

If you were a soldier or cop or armed security and had to ditch and switch your carbine for your side arm in an encounter you would be wishing differently. Why give yourself one more thing to do in a life or death situation. Every 1/10th of a second counts and a lot of dead people have been found with safeties ON.

Methinks range mentality has a lot to do with accidents and ND's in the field.

Can you imagine doing THIS nonsense in a confrontation? Watch right at the start, what is THAT all about If you have to use your pistol then draw and shoot, don't faff about!

http://www.firearm-services.co.uk/video ... -advanced/