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DanTheMan wrote:Bradders will have some excellent rifles out shortly, new uppers currently being made, that's where my money would be. Don't take my word for it though - pop down to the CSR at Bisley Jan 6th and see what AR's people are actually using in comps.

This!

TJC wrote:Paul just put this little puppy together for me. Am pretty happy with it and his service and will def go back to him again. He knows his stuff, is fair and cares about his customers.

Well that's rather nice TJC. I am wondering though, what on earth is that gadget on the side for, some kind of laser perchance?

Thats a Red dot sight on a 45' mount for CQB quick target aqquisition. Just in case those bunnies catch you unawares! Pretty smart set up there.

I see. Why would a chap need that then? Is the scope not very good that a second system is required? Sorry fro being obtuse, but I don't see the point. *confused*

Close quarters 'snap' shooting, damage to primary, fogging/dirt... lots of reasons.

Mr Bowcat wrote:I see. Why would a chap need that then? Is the scope not very good that a second system is required? Sorry fro being obtuse, but I don't see the point. *confused*

I would suggest more trolling than obtuse.............?

Mr Bowcat wrote:I see. Why would a chap need that then? Is the scope not very good that a second system is required? Sorry fro being obtuse, but I don't see the point. *confused*

Because he can! tongueout

Simply put - scope zeroed for one distance (long) and the red-dot for another (short).

Ahh, that makes sense. Thank you.

MiLisCer wrote:

Mr Bowcat wrote:I see. Why would a chap need that then? Is the scope not very good that a second system is required? Sorry fro being obtuse, but I don't see the point. *confused*

I would suggest more trolling than obtuse.............?

I'm sorry, but what do you mean? smile2

Mr Bowcat wrote:I see. Why would a chap need that then? Is the scope not very good that a second system is required? Sorry fro being obtuse, but I don't see the point. *confused*

Ha. No problem in asking. It is not a rare setup and is frequently used by hunters and competition shooters. Scopes tend to be most useful for distance shooting, in this case it is used mainly for 50-100 yrds. For more rapid near target engagement a red dot optic works best. Ultimately, it is hard to find (at an affordable price) a scope that works well at short ranges with red dot capable speed and yet has the magnification for a further out.

So let's assume you are out shooting bunnies and normally get shots off at say 75-yrds plus. At that range you need a scope more than a red dot. If one pops up at 15 yrds you tilt the rifle a few degrees and the wider FOV provided by a red dot gives you a better optic platform for the opportunity. An alternative setup might be a red dot with a flip to side magnifyer behind. I have used those in the past but found the magnifyer didn't provide enough mag for longer ranges.

In the US there are many competitions that force a shooter to make 100-yrd shots and then almost immediately transition to a shot inside 30-yrds. This is also increasingly common in bolt action competitions and you will now see many practical shooters employ a red dot alongside a a high end S&B scope.

So in answer to you question, it is less about the scope not being good enough (i do admit there are better and the Leupold Mk 6 is one but that was outside my budget at $2k and hard to import into the UK), and more about how i intend to employ the rifle.