dromia wrote:Second time in this thread I have had to address the language issue.
This is not GoM and is open for all to see, we get more guests visiting here than members so the rule of thumb is don't put up anything you wouldn't want your wife and/or children to see/hear.
There is a foul language filter on the forum, why circumvent it?
Apologies.
It wasn't your post I was referring to, I suspect that after Father Jack Hackett the word you chose to use now has some drawing room acceptability.
I am sure it was mine. Apologies from me too.
Its just a touchy subject with me. I hate all forms of political correctness and this no camo rule is just that - political correctness.
There is fact and degree in all of this. Mr Yardley is shifting goal posts daily and bouncing around any number of bigoted ideas until he can garner support from other shooters. (What the hell is a 'fighting' knife BTW??)
If someone turned up to a formal game shoot in trackie bottoms and a t-shirt i'm sure they'd be asked to change/leave. If someone turned up to an IPSC match in full combat gear they'd be asked to change/leave. If someone turned up to an informal clay shoot in full tweed and hat with a pheasant feather sticking out they'd be looked at strangely. If someone turned up to shoot at an MOD rifle range in a tutu and ballet pumps they'd probably be escorted into the nearest toilet block for some cottaging (quite a few sailors in my outdoor club.....)
There is tolerance in all situations but there are also limits. Mr Yardley did not express any 'grey' opinions, it was all black and white. You like military looking guns you're a nutter, you like practical shooting you're a fantasist.
Blackstuff wrote:There is fact and degree in all of this. Mr Yardley is shifting goal posts daily and bouncing around any number of bigoted ideas until he can garner support from other shooters. (What the hell is a 'fighting' knife BTW??)
At the risk of going off at a tangent and telling a war story..........
One of the cooks in my regiment wanted to come out on patrol with one of our bricks in Belfast's lower markets area (circa 1973), all was arranged and as he was about to leave the Mission Hall we occupied near Cromack Square one of the lads said, what's that?? Pointing to his ankle.
It turned out to be a divers knife he had strapped on for what he described as "added security"!
The knife was left in the Mission Hall, .........a good lad but slightly misguided.
Blackstuff wrote:There is fact and degree in all of this. Mr Yardley is shifting goal posts daily and bouncing around any number of bigoted ideas until he can garner support from other shooters. (What the hell is a 'fighting' knife BTW??)
If someone turned up to a formal game shoot in trackie bottoms and a t-shirt i'm sure they'd be asked to change/leave. If someone turned up to an IPSC match in full combat gear they'd be asked to change/leave. If someone turned up to an informal clay shoot in full tweed and hat with a pheasant feather sticking out they'd be looked at strangely. If someone turned up to shoot at an MOD rifle range in a tutu and ballet pumps they'd probably be escorted into the nearest toilet block for some cottaging (quite a few sailors in my outdoor club.....)
There is tolerance in all situations but there are also limits. Mr Yardley did not express any 'grey' opinions, it was all black and white. You like military looking guns you're a nutter, you like practical shooting you're a fantasist.
So how do explain the fact that if you wear head to toe camo you are "suspect" and giving off a "wannabe military" image, yet if you wear civilian clothing and shoot military type rifles at military type targets in a military type course of fire, thats not giving off a "wannabe" image ?
Blackstuff wrote:There is fact and degree in all of this. Mr Yardley is shifting goal posts daily and bouncing around any number of bigoted ideas until he can garner support from other shooters. (What the hell is a 'fighting' knife BTW??)
Ah so we're back to the old 'evil combat' knife thing. Strage how far more civilians are stabbed with kitchen knives than any other type. I wonder if Mikes hoplophobia extends to those too?
breacher wrote:
Blackstuff wrote:There is fact and degree in all of this. Mr Yardley is shifting goal posts daily and bouncing around any number of bigoted ideas until he can garner support from other shooters. (What the hell is a 'fighting' knife BTW??)
If someone turned up to a formal game shoot in trackie bottoms and a t-shirt i'm sure they'd be asked to change/leave. If someone turned up to an IPSC match in full combat gear they'd be asked to change/leave. If someone turned up to an informal clay shoot in full tweed and hat with a pheasant feather sticking out they'd be looked at strangely. If someone turned up to shoot at an MOD rifle range in a tutu and ballet pumps they'd probably be escorted into the nearest toilet block for some cottaging (quite a few sailors in my outdoor club.....)
There is tolerance in all situations but there are also limits. Mr Yardley did not express any 'grey' opinions, it was all black and white. You like military looking guns you're a nutter, you like practical shooting you're a fantasist.
So how do explain the fact that if you wear head to toe camo you are "suspect" and giving off a "wannabe military" image, yet if you wear civilian clothing and shoot military type rifles at military type targets in a military type course of fire, thats not giving off a "wannabe" image ?
Seems like double standards to me.
Its ok to like military guns and to use them.
Its not ok to like military clothing and wear it.
Well not if you can grasp the concept that at times you may be in a situation/location where a certain type of clothing may give off 'the wrong impression'/confuse the easily confused and lead to problems for the shooter/club/organisation. That was sort of what my previous post was trying to say (and obviously failing )
breacher wrote:Its not ok to like military clothing and wear it.
breacher wrote:and shoot military type rifles at military type targets in a military type course of fire.
Either/or is fine, just not at the same time according to IPSC, while shooting in an IPSC level II or above competition (Presuming this is what you're actually getting at given your previous comment?). Although i'd disagree that IPSC targets are 'military type'.
"because I like guns" or better still "because I want to"
Should really be the only good reason a law abiding person needs!
So reading this then those airsoft chaps in TESCO Team 6 or whatever are to be viewed with suspicion ??? It's not the clothes, it's the person in them. These people are having FUN.
Does anyone remember when we could have fun without some clown reading subliminal messages into everything or calling the police because they cannot sort out fun from fear!!
breacher
I hate all forms of political correctness and this no camo rule is just that - political correctness.
Political Correctness is the language of lies, written by the corrupt , spoken by the inept!
That looks just the thing to wear at Otterburn tomorrow when it's persistently raining and windy.
I'll burn my realtree insulated extremely warm and shower proof trousers and jacket at once, may as well burn the boots as well and wait for Glock to bring out some trendy non-military/tacticool flip-flops as well.
There's room for all Gods creatures, next to the mash and gravy :)
The thing is, if a non shooter has a go at guns in general, we say they are small minded, we have a right to use our rifles as long as its lawful etc etc etc
Yet, some of us are just as small minded when it comes to other shooters. Be they airsoft and "real" shooters say they are wierd. Or its CSR and F class shooters tut tut. Or its clay shooters being horrified at practical shotgun !! I have seen ex pistol shooters saying terrible things about the guys who shoot practical pistol with those co2 pistols.
As to some people getting worried or confused seeing someone in camo with a firearm - they will be confused anyway. They will see a military rifle even if they dont see camo.
How about this ? If you dont like camo - dont wear it! Just dont stereotype others who do. And dont enforce prohibitions when once upon a time, items you loved were prohibited !!!
And when it comes to clothing and perception -
Dress in black and you resemble the uniform du jour for ISIS.
Dress in camo and you are a wannabe military.
Dress in 5.11 khaki and you are a wannabe Tier 1 operator or mercenary.
Dont dress in red as thats only for RCOs.
Avoid navy blue lest you resemble a SWAT operative.
Sheeeeeesh.
Oh and by the way - certain states in USA and Austrailia have restricted certain firearms on LOOKS alone. So, you cannot have a pistol grip or flash hider etc etc - Nothing "assault rifle looking".
I bet the guys moaning about the perception issues of camo would be the first to whinge if they were told that their straight pull ARs and AKs etc were being prohibited because THEY LOOK the wrong way.
Seriously guys - stopping guys wearing what they want because it LOOKS wrong ??????
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