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Alpha1 wrote:I can not see what the problem is. Sounds like you are all paranoid to me.

Use your hands to pat round the back of yourself you might find a backbone there, but I expect you wont.

I have just renewed my Fac I'm not sure wether it's 30 or 35 years that I have held one. Never had a problem with my licencing authority or the Police force that issues it. If they want me to hang on to spent cases I will it's not a problem. It's dick heads like you that are the problem with shooting to day.

So you will do something that is not required under current legislation.

And you call others here dickheads?

Edit: It is not the job of the Police to invent processes or practices when it comes to Firearms law, the Firearms Act and any further amendments laid out in the Statute book is the basis for any practice or policy related to firearms. That is what the police should be following.

If they have a concern about stolen shot guns and how to manage dealing with that issue then they should take it to the Home Office with evidence put forward for how keeping cartridges will be of benefit. If there is a good reason to amend the law then it needs to be put before parliament.

An A4 type letter sent to you by your local Firearms department expressing a vague concern and requiring you do something not required under current legislation is not acceptable. Acquiescing only opens our sport to further erosion of our rights, by all means have a good relationship with your local plod but don't allow them to walk all over you. Politely decline the request and if they question you point them towards the Firearms Act. Any further problems then write a formal letter of complaint to the Chief Constable.

Fedaykin... a succinct yet comprehensive summary.

There are far too many people willing to comply without protest.

Here's the same story from 6 years ago. Sounds like NABIS are still trying to extend their empire and justify their existence, typical mission creep. The chances of this shenanigans actually being any use is infinitesimal.

Only on NCIS can they dig a bullet out of a tree and Abbi get the fingerprints off it.

http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/ammuni ... ence-26421

It seems to me whichever bright spark came up with the idea of gun owners keeping a spent case hadn't really thought it through on how it would work in reality.
Say there's a shooting and a case is recovered at the scene, are they then going to ask how many thousand fac holders for their sample case and examine every one. Even if this was possible it doesn't take in to account the firearm was an illegal import or was stolen in a different area.
If on the other hand a stolen or illegal gun is recovered a test firing will produce a case that could be matched to cases found at a crime scene.

In other words you having a sample fired case from a gun in your possession will be of no help in solving gun crime. I suspect the letter writer has been watching too much CSI crime fiction.

Fedaykin wrote: I suppose in theory if you could match the pellets with cartridges all from the same batch you might be able to match the metallurgy.

This is ill thought out nonsense!

Everything Fedaykin said is true and as to matching lead batches, the FBI who had been using this so called evidence for years finally admitted they were wrong leaving the public to wonder how many people were wrongly convicted.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/2219

The Police are not daft, I think they are just creating a bit of a myth for the benefit of criminals who basically get a lot of their knowledge of crime detection from CSI on the Telly.

lapua338 wrote:Fedaykin... a succinct yet comprehensive summary.

There are far too many people willing to comply without protest.

Some people are just naturally subservient. Or maybe they enjoy getting a pat on the back by people in authority for being cooperative - that may give them a warm glow deep inside.

https://youtu.be/TCnw2RIiXsw?t=22

I'm struggling to see what the big problem is with the letter.

1) You keep a few cartridge cases (you don't have to advertise that you have these cases)
2) You decide whether you want to give them to the police or not (you don't have to provide them)

Seems that you will at least have the cases available. If you don't think they can be helpful in tracing the movement of a stolen gun, then don't collect them or provide them. Simplez! (meerkat sound)

So let me get this right.....

The police suggest a voluntary scheme where they ask the owners of legal firearms and shotguns, to keep a fired case from each chamber of their firearms. This is in the unlikely event their firearm or shotgun is stolen and subsequently used in crime and that fired case may assist in identifying firearms and or perpetrators.

And then what we have is the response from those that deem themselves to be from the "most lawful and public spirited section of society that this country has".....

Seriously, some of you blokes really need to get your priorities straight. There's more fantasy and bravado displayed here than at a World of Warcraft meeting! FFS, catch yourself on...

VOLUNTARY. That letter is an "ask for help" in case a series of rare events strike an individual and their guns. Gun thefts are rare. Discharge of firearms in crime are also very rare. But they do happen and sometimes with dire consequences. Yeah sure, tell the old bill to shove their letter up their ar$e, that'll teach them.

Shameful.