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Saiga 9mm, very nice Tovarisch....I guess it is the civilian version of the Vityaz-SN submachine gun?.The Vityaz has the same trigger and safety mechanism as an AK-74 so I would assume the trigger and safety on the Saiga-9 would be the same as a regular Saiga so how does it go full auto with no select fire/full auto setting?, surely it only has two settings (safe and fire) from the factory like a regular Saiga?.

To be UK legal it isn't simply a case of welding ports or removing pistons...

Sadly, any rifle that has ever been semi auto (above .22 rimfire) can never be converted, they have to be MANUFACTURED with no gas system etc.

snayperskaya wrote:Saiga 9mm, very nice Tovarisch....I guess it is the civilian version of the Vityaz-SN submachine gun?.The Vityaz has the same trigger and safety mechanism as an AK-74 so I would assume the trigger and safety on the Saiga-9 would be the same as a regular Saiga so how does it go full auto with no select fire/full auto setting?, surely it only has two settings (safe and fire) from the factory like a regular Saiga?.

To be UK legal it isn't simply a case of welding ports or removing pistons...

I would like to thank Putin for the ability to have a semi-auto. :)
There is a three pins in trigger system and auto release is installed instead of regular saiga trigger system. Full-auto it's just a trick with this type trigger with auto release, just need to fix with bracket a rear hook (what holds a hummer) at the rear positron.
Vityaz and saiga-9 have no gas system cause they are blowback action. I have made a cocking handle with fixation on the rear position(like on HK MP5)

Ah, the old auto sear on the third axis pin, so surely you have to drill the receiver to accept the third axis pin for the auto sear and cut a slot in the rail for the tip of the auto sear to pass through?.Also wouldn't you need the small protrusion on the carrier that trips the auto sear as well as a full-auto selector lever as the semi-auto version is slightly different?.

safetyfirst wrote:Sadly, any rifle that has ever been semi auto (above .22 rimfire) can never be converted, they have to be MANUFACTURED with no gas system etc.

Home Office approved as straight pull UK legal......

So once section five always section five, unless it's Russian? Has this serial numbered rifle ever been semi auto or was it built straight pull from unissued parts?

safetyfirst wrote:So once section five always section five, unless it's Russian? Has this serial numbered rifle ever been semi auto or was it built straight pull from unissued parts?

It was built by LDT in Luxembourg as a straight pull from original parts and submitted to the Home Offices Forensic Science Service for straight pull approval (which it was granted) and proofed as a "Manual Reloading Rifle" and as such it has never been a Sec5 rifle in the UK and is totally UK legal.It has a multitude of things done to it, all of which are irreversible without major work, and the relevant components are marked "LDT MLR" or "LDT Manual Reloading Rifle" and must remain that way.

snayperskaya wrote:

safetyfirst wrote:So once section five always section five, unless it's Russian? Has this serial numbered rifle ever been semi auto or was it built straight pull from unissued parts?

It was built by LDT in Luxembourg as a straight pull from original parts and submitted to the Home Offices Forensic Science Service for straight pull approval (which it was granted) and proofed as a "Manual Reloading Rifle" and as such it has never been a Sec5 rifle in the UK and is totally UK legal.It has a multitude of things done to it, all of which are irreversible without major work, and the relevant components are marked "LDT MLR" or "LDT Manual Reloading Rifle" and must remain that way.

Also remember the home office top guy said component parts from a section 5 firearm aren't a section 5 firearm and can be used in rebuild kits if mixed and matched, etc.

Sixshot6 wrote:

snayperskaya wrote:

safetyfirst wrote:So once section five always section five, unless it's Russian? Has this serial numbered rifle ever been semi auto or was it built straight pull from unissued parts?

It was built by LDT in Luxembourg as a straight pull from original parts and submitted to the Home Offices Forensic Science Service for straight pull approval (which it was granted) and proofed as a "Manual Reloading Rifle" and as such it has never been a Sec5 rifle in the UK and is totally UK legal.It has a multitude of things done to it, all of which are irreversible without major work, and the relevant components are marked "LDT MLR" or "LDT Manual Reloading Rifle" and must remain that way.

Also remember the home office top guy said component parts from a section 5 firearm aren't a section 5 firearm and can be used in rebuild kits if mixed and matched, etc.

The black and white "once sec5 always sec5" mantra hadn't been tested until a few makers ( I believe Anglo Custom Rifles were one with their L1A1) approached the HO, ACPO and FELWG and it was decided (for once common sense prevailed) that the if certain criteria was met a straight pull could be made and it could be proofed as a Sec1 firearm.

My SKS has the gas port/block plugged and welded, the gas tube latch is welded closed to prevent the tube being removed, the bore in the rear sight block where the operating rod would sit is plugged and welded and the portion of the bolt carrier that the operating rod would act on is drilled ou so there is no metal for an operating rod to act on.It would be easier to melt it down and start again than it would to convert it back.......or far easier to convert a Saiga if you were that way inclined!.

More info in this thread about sec5 - sec1

http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... &hilit=Sks

Interesting stuff thanks! Smoke, mirrors and grey fog...