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HALODIN wrote:Rifles in one cabinet, the bolts that are easy to remove are stored in an internal safe, within the rifle safe and then all ammo stored in a 3rd safe on top. I don't remove the bolts for any semi or semi-auto style rifle because it's impractical. Everything's bolted together and all safe are bolted to a 2" thick stone wall with 9 x 8" coach bolts. Window locks and an alarm and a dog. I think that's reasonable...

2" or 2'?? big difference...

is done under direct police control/supervision rather than a few bags being posted out- can't see GMP's method standing up in court.

Yes its handed over to the police and sent for ballistic testing, that has to be done every time the firearm changes hands.

ordnance wrote:

is done under direct police control/supervision rather than a few bags being posted out- can't see GMP's method standing up in court.

Yes its handed over to the police and sent for ballistic testing, that has to be done every time the firearm changes hands.

well i guess it depends on GMP's actual reasoning for it, if they are doing it for the reason they have stated (use in a crime if stolen) then owner submitted would be fine. but if they are doing it to search all known unsolved murders etc, then i guess they would then take it off you and arrest etc if it made a match, then test it further?

i'd refuse as there is no legal rule in place making you do it, and i guess they would need some kind of evidence before they confiscate all your firearms for testing? either that or give them some split brass with a primer set off with a centre punch

besides, if it was an old enough rifle, and there was a crime connected it, but years before you owned it, what would happen to your rifle?

From what i can see they can test rifles and handguns here, but as it says its normally only done on handguns.

emergency legislation was enacted increasing the types of firearms offences and including various categories of terrorist offences relating to firearms. Other changes, such as ballistic testing of rifles and pistols, was also introduced to discourage terrorist use of them (currently all firearms imported into Northern Ireland can be subject to ballistic testing by the PSNI, although only handguns generally are).

bradaz11 wrote:well i guess it depends on GMP's actual reasoning for it ...............

I think the reason is the fact that the GMP have come under very close scrutiny after several cases of FAC irregularities came to light. They seem to be going waaay OTT in order to be seen to be doing things "properly" now.

Other than that, I can't think why anybody would go to these lengths?

zanes wrote:

Activ8 wrote:To add... GMP are also asking new holders to keep spent cartridges (shotgun initially but asking for any rifle cartridges too) for forensic use should any rifle be stolen. I was sent 6 evidence bags with my certificates & a long letter.
Maybe GMP are just being over the top? But they have said any visit will check the "conditions" noted, but they do not say as such on my FAC or SGC. Not a huge issue for me, not bothered if I need to put trigger locks on or store the bolt in the house. Rather be over the top myself than blasé about it at any point.

What. The. f***.

WTF ++
What if they ask you for mouth swabs as well, would you comply? I bloody wouldn't. Oh and bolts in for me and my Enfields, Sniders, and Martinis. Northumbria used to ask for them out years ago but a lot of people had security like trigger locks and wall bolted chains back then before the British standard police gun box emerged.

Don't tell my missus.

bradaz11 wrote:2" or 2'?? big difference...

Les wrote:

bradaz11 wrote:well i guess it depends on GMP's actual reasoning for it ...............

I think the reason is the fact that the GMP have come under very close scrutiny after several cases of FAC irregularities came to light. They seem to be going waaay OTT in order to be seen to be doing things "properly" now.

Other than that, I can't think why anybody would go to these lengths?

Yup probably right, they've been very strict with most things lately from what friends are telling me.

Removing the bolt and storing it separately cost one of our members a hospital visit.
It was on a very old rifle where removing the bolt allowed a small part to drop out into the cabinet.
Replacing the bolt without noticing said bit was not there allowed a "fast bolt" ( dunno why they called it that ) and he got hit in the eye.
Since repairing the bolt he now leaves the bolt in so said "bit" cannot fall out.

I remove my Mosin and S&W 15-22 bolts and the cylinder from my Ruger Old Army and store them elsewhere.

I can also quite easily remove the bolt from my Winchester SXP.
I haven't figured how to disable my O/U yet.

Mark

bradaz11 wrote:

ordnance wrote:

is done under direct police control/supervision rather than a few bags being posted out- can't see GMP's method standing up in court.

Yes its handed over to the police and sent for ballistic testing, that has to be done every time the firearm changes hands.

well i guess it depends on GMP's actual reasoning for it, if they are doing it for the reason they have stated (use in a crime if stolen) then owner submitted would be fine. but if they are doing it to search all known unsolved murders etc, then i guess they would then take it off you and arrest etc if it made a match, then test it further?

Defence solicitor: "So Mr. FEO, how do you know this case came from this particular rifle?"
FEO: "Well, we sent the FAC holder some bags about a year ago, and he assures us that the cases in the bag came from this rifle"
Defence solicitor: "No further questions, M'lud".

i'd refuse as there is no legal rule in place making you do it, and i guess they would need some kind of evidence before they confiscate all your firearms for testing? either that or give them some split brass with a primer set off with a centre punch

besides, if it was an old enough rifle, and there was a crime connected it, but years before you owned it, what would happen to your rifle?

+1. Just more scaremongering/intimidatory/pointless arse covering bo...cks.