Still looking for a club :( this is getting silly

[hitchphil]

For 2015 the basic NSRA affiliation fees are:
up to 15 members £120.00
16 to 30 members £155.00
31 to 75 members £220.00
more than 75 £285.00
Junior Clubs up to 15 members £120.00
more than 15 members £150.00

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And what do you get for those fees?

The NSRA website under membership clubs............

[M99]

For 2015 the basic NSRA affiliation fees are:
up to 15 members £120.00
16 to 30 members £155.00
31 to 75 members £220.00
more than 75 £285.00
Junior Clubs up to 15 members £120.00
more than 15 members £150.00

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And what do you get for those fees?

The NSRA website under membership clubs............

The NRA costs are £8.75 per member (Those not already full NRA members), £180 insurance and a £78.50 Fullbore club fee.

The insurance fee of £180 is irrespective of membership levels. It is just one fee for all.

Mike

[Taha]

WNSC looked quite good when I visited, sure theres a few members on here too,
Depending where in S Wales you are Tondu is worth a look.

im still waiting to here if hes made enquiries??

greenshoots

Hi I've already posted this.

I've made enquiries from Penarth and have gotten a response and am heading there Thursday week. I'm also now in contact with Frome and District and waiting for them to confirm my attendance at their next day for new members. Also waiting for John @ Offas Dyke re. confirmation to be a probationer.

Thanks again for everyone's help.

[Taha]

Well clearly all those regulations aren't doing much. They still have more gun related deaths and mass shootings than any first world country and in many states it's possible to buy military grade firearms without any background checks at all. If I lived in the US I would concealed carry out of necessity rather than choice, but frankly I'd rather live in a country where going to the cinema or sending kids to school is less likely to turn into a sudden life or death, act or die situation.

You a member of GCN or one of these pseudo "MOMS" gpoups by any chance - because that's their speak.

FYI, there are as others have said a multitude of regulations and you are correct, they do NOT do much - for CRIMINALS! Please feel free suggest any regulations you feel would help.

Here's a regulation for you: Murder is illegal - no matter what is used. ! Have you ever been to the USA?

Oh and when was the last time you saw a news article that said umpteeen million Americans never killed anyone today!

Chuck I'm not a member of any of those groups and I find partisan thinking (I have to agree with ALL these ideas because I'm a member of such and such group) ridiculous. Each person needs to assess each issue logically and in an objective sense irrespective of what others in their group think of it.

At the end of the day none of those things that you mention really make any difference. Murder is illegal in the USA but it still has one of the highest rates of gun death anywhere in the first world. You have to be honest with yourself and accept that reality when assessing this issue. Every country in the world considers murder to be illegal but the difference between countries where a person can, on the spur of a moment or after planning, go out and murder dozens of people IS the availability of firearms. It's much more difficult for a lunatic in the UK to go and kill 50 people before he gets shut down, because it will be more difficult for him to get access to high power semi automatic or automatic weapons. It's absolutely true that he could go out and try to do the same with a knife or his fists but both of those are less dangerous than an assault rifle. If I'm unarmed I'm much more likely to fancy my chances against one man with a knife or his fists because all I really need to do is pin him down and control his weapon hand. But if he has an assault rifle I know that even approaching him is much more dangerous and I'm less likely to try and subdue him. Plus it's physically much slower to kill people with a blade or your hands than with a rifle. After all this is why colonial powers with rifles were able to take over the indigenous world by force, they had rifles and gunpowder and the indigenous people didn't.

Americans are so wrapped up in their gun hobbies and so terrified of anything taking away their weekend fun that they simply refuse to allow themselves to see that availability of guns in a largely unregulated environment IS a major factor in people with psychiatric problems being able to cause massive amounts of damage and take huge numbers of lives in just a few moments.

Now I'm sure that yourself or other members of this forum are perfectly mentally healthy and so you having weapons is likely not a safety issue. But when it comes to making laws that cut across a whole society, including people who are traumatised, angry or mentally unwell, you have to make rules that keep everyone safe from the people who are the most dangerous, not rules that only keep everyone safe when followed by normal law abiding citizens.

Again, just my opinion.

[Taha]

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I'm sorry you feel that way and I wish the best for you in your adopted country. BTW violent firearms use as well as accidental firearms injuries or deaths have been declining for decades in the U.S. The rise or fall of firearms violence seems to have more of a correlation to the overall age of the U.S. population than the availability of firearms. A more youthful population results in more violent crime.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf#page=27

The 2nd amendment was designed to allow the people to rise against the government if needed. In the age of fighter jets, laser guided missiles, drones and apache helicopters, the US population would not stand a chance against it's own government irrespective of how many assault rifles they have, meaning the intention of the 2nd amendment is now not applicable.

Thus the 2nd amendment is being misappropriated by gun companies that fear falling profits if weapons are regulated and hobbyists who are terrified of the government limiting what they can own. To some extent I can appreciate this fear being an avid shooter myself. But ultimately some kind of a balance between the safety of the public from the mentally unstable and my rights to be able to engage in my hobbies without any regulation needs to be struck. Personally I feel that in the USA is currently too much towards the latter. But again this is just my opinion.

[Demonic69]

This has been covered many times, but you really need to do your research into gun ownership in America.
It's not a free-for-all, there are many, many rules and regulation in place. The vary from state to state, with the states with the most regulation also having the most gun crime. Some states have over 50% gun ownership but fewer gun deaths than the UK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violen ... s_by_state

[Chuck]

What demonic says. Too much misinformation around- and of course a wee look at the perpetrators would not go amiss either.

The 2nd amendment was designed to allow the people to rise against the government if needed. In the age of fighter jets, laser guided missiles, drones and apache helicopters, the US population would not stand a chance against it's own government irrespective of how many assault rifles they have, meaning the intention of the 2nd amendment is now not applicable.

oh really? I think not my friend. the US government is a bully and a coward and only attacks the defenceless. A good proverbial "kick in the nuts" by 2nd Amendment supporters would soon have the desired effect. The US is known to run away when it gets a few casualties from locals in far off lands. That high tech exercise has been tried in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc etc - and each time the USA has been well and truly kicked in the "bawsack". If what you suggets would happen works why are the US so scared of going bacvk into all the hell holes they crrated. CASUALTIES! Not decrying the bravery of the troops, but almst 50% are alrady disillusioned etc. Do you think those fighting fro freedom elsewhere will kill their own who are also fighting for freedom?? some will because some just want to kill..many others will not I reckon.

Promoting the GUN TRADE??? As if the USA is not flooding the planet for free with guns virtually denied to the average American. people need to stop watching CNN and listening to Bloomberg and his associated fascist groups..

As soon as the body bags containing soldiers and police who choose NOT to defend their sworn oaths start filling up things would change. That is why the Obamas and UN of this world want your guns. The confiscating of guns from the law abiding will never make a difference in respect of wrongly called "gun deaths"!. Criminals (and government) will always prey on the weak (and those deliberately made weak by a uncaring totalitarian government).


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[ColinR]

There is a new Secretary at FCSA, give Mike a call:
on 07814 582831

[M99]

There is a new Secretary at FCSA, give Mike a call:
on 07814 582831

I've spoken to Taha. ;-)

Mike

[lapua338]

What's a "high power" semi automatic or automatic weapon or military grade firearm?

In the US civilians do not own "assault weapons" and private possession of fully automatic weapons is only permitted subject to federal licensing and registration.

The term "assault weapon" is a political term developed by the anti-gun lobby.

Furthermore, non-prohibited persons of minimum age may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition. Their laws are complex (each US state and territory enacts its own firearms laws) and there are severe penalties for unlawful possession.

This is the same kind of ignorance that helped to ban our semi's and handguns.