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Re: Dragging a smallbore club into the 21st century...
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:17 pm
by Maggot
Tiff wrote:Well the dust has barely settled, but thought I'd add a brief update for those interested in how things went at the meeting this evening.
Firstly I'd like to publicly thank Chapuis for his significant help regarding fire safety legislation and hopefully the committee will take action soon.
In essence, the meeting tonight was entertaining....
I printed off some of the relevant guidelines/legislation for range & fire safety and handed them out before it started. The look of sheer bewilderment on many of the members faces was amusing.
There was the usual "I've been here for 60 years, what right have you got to ask us to change now" & "if you go and leave the area with work in 6 months, why should we change anything".
A couple of committee members took offense that I'd been quietly looking into things behind the scenes - something I unfortunately had to do, after publicly asking to see the range safety certificate & range orders etc (not unreasonable as an RCO...) and being told not to worry about them, they exisit somewhere. A situation I still can't get my head round!
The good news is they have formed a private sub committee to look into the range saftey aspect, including getting the lead levels monitored (any ideas on who could do this?). The vice chairman will look into getting a fire risk assessment done by a retired fire officer he knows.
Plus there will be a new nights shooting introduced in January to coach beginners, with new members being actively sought - a big positive change!
The downside is in the meantime it carries on as usual, with no known copy of the range saftey certificate in existance, significant breaches of the fire code and about 18 out of 20 points on the NRA/NRSA indoor range inspection sheet currently being breached. I'm certainly not happy RCO'ing for the club untill this is resolved, since I simply cannot see how our NSRA insurance is valid?
I'm hoping the seriousness of the situation will sink in with most of the committee (some are unfortunately lost causes) in the next couple of weeks.
Tiff
Sounds Good Tiff, now you need to keep on top of them looking for promised progress.
Some clubs can be a bit like that, resistant to change for the sake of it because its the route of least resistance/effort.
I asked for ages just to get a tin hat target provided on club practice days as this (being an F class club) was when all the SOWRs with irons came out, so make the most of it right?
The wailing and gnashing of teeth that involved.....and god help you if you wanted a Fig11.
The latter has fallen so deeply into "Bullshit lore" or "Its right because Reg said so and he should know" that is is almost universally accepted that you cannot shoot at humanoid targets at Bisley.
This is crap and the director of shooting has stated as much to me personally (only politely). If your discipline uses it you can use it.
It is stick in the mud "No other disicipline has the right to shoot of they are not doing it our way" types that need weeding out and re-programming.
Rant over
Good luck mate

Re: Dragging a smallbore club into the 21st century...
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:42 pm
by HALODIN
We're lucky, we have a forward looking club and we've just built our second clubhouse on the back of our outside 25 yard range. The 2 years before this, we built a covered steel firing point for our 50/100 yard ranges. I joined the committee earlier this year because I wanted to rebuild our club website (nearly finished...), but I gave up counting the hours once it went past 60...
My advice for what it's worth, is lead by example, put your own money in to it if you have to, have a fundraiser, raise the profile of the club, build some momentum and don't let the buggers get you down.
Re: Dragging a smallbore club into the 21st century...
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:31 am
by TattooedGun
HALODIN wrote:We're lucky, we have a forward looking club and we've just built our second clubhouse on the back of our outside 25 yard range. The 2 years before this, we built a covered steel firing point for our 50/100 yard ranges. I joined the committee earlier this year because I wanted to rebuild our club website (nearly finished...), but I gave up counting the hours once it went past 60...
My advice for what it's worth, is lead by example, put your own money in to it if you have to, have a fundraiser, raise the profile of the club, build some momentum and don't let the buggers get you down.
The first thing, and possibly the best thing due to the influx of members and enquiries, that I did for my club on joining was re-doing the website. I didn't count any hours, but it was certainly more than 60 went into it...!
Re: Dragging a smallbore club into the 21st century...
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:41 am
by HALODIN
I agree, it's the simplest way to bring in the next generation and also money to keep the facilities up to date. If you have an old tired website, people will think the club and probably the members are tired as well... You'll never get people through the door if it looks like the person who lives there doesn't give a sh*t.
I counted 60 hours some time ago...
TattooedGun wrote:The first thing, and possibly the best thing due to the influx of members and enquiries, that I did for my club on joining was re-doing the website. I didn't count any hours, but it was certainly more than 60 went into it...!
Re: Dragging a smallbore club into the 21st century...
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:32 pm
by Robert303
Can anyone let me have a link to the NRA / NSRA range inspection site or the site with the inspection reports. I too a having problems with a club more interested in internal politics and conspiracy theories than the future of shooting. There are a number of things wrong and it may be a way of telling them to stop the nonsense and concentrate on reality.
Re: Dragging a smallbore club into the 21st century...
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:27 pm
by Tiff
Robert303 wrote:Can anyone let me have a link to the NRA / NSRA range inspection site or the site with the inspection reports. I too a having problems with a club more interested in internal politics and conspiracy theories than the future of shooting. There are a number of things wrong and it may be a way of telling them to stop the nonsense and concentrate on reality.
It currently all comes in an NRA/NSRA paper version of basically JSP403, which you have to buy direct for around £30...However if you email Ali Aitken at the NSRA he'll probably be able to help, as I believe he now has a free electronic version.
Re: Dragging a smallbore club into the 21st century...
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:17 pm
by Robert303
Thank you very much for this.
Re: Dragging a smallbore club into the 21st century...
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:34 pm
by BestDrugDoc
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club web site you say..... what a novel idea.

Re: Dragging a smallbore club into the 21st century...
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:39 pm
by Tiff
Regarding the website, obviously the club has never had one...but a kind member has designed and built one with the committees approval. The only problem being last time I asked him about it, the committee seemingly won't pay the £30 or so pounds a year for it to be hosted!
Things are hopefully starting to move on behind the scenes in general (although not being a comittee member it's hard to know), but it's going to need a major shake up to make the club safe and rules fairly implemented amongst everyone. Currently they are mostly just badly applied (often vindictively) as and when a comittee member wishes - the cause of major upsets in the past, resulting sadly in good members leaving.
Not wanting to see the club fail, I think the best way to move it on is to promote membership now, instead of waiting till it's improved.... By New Year I should have 10 new members joining - the equivalent of 25% of the club. With new 'younger' people will come new ideas and with another few members (I'll try for ten more in Jan/Feb) the club will have no choice but to join this century!
Re: Dragging a smallbore club into the 21st century...
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:43 pm
by HALODIN
Why don't you pay the £30 out of your own pocket?