Labour: gun applicants must "prove suitability"

[Mr_Logic]

The truth is a very elastic concept... And there are things we can do beyond spread the absolute truth of shooting. Why is police idiocy not more well published? Why is government bureaucracy rarely admonished in shooting cases? He who shouts loudest wins, and we are not good at going on the offensive because as a rule we are Good People, but we must do or there will be nothing left.

The antis will use dodgy stats, ignore the truth etc - so should we.

[Blu]

Sandgroper,

IMO, I don't think there is any legal basis to challenge the proposed airgun licensing system because that's all it is - proposed.

I disagree mate, over here whenever some State, County or City comes out with some new anti proposition the NRA is all over it, even to the extent of threatening legal action if the proposition goes forward. Thing is Grant, your enemy are mostly political animals, you have to get political as well. They use their position to change laws, you use the courts to stop them and if needs be have any new laws overturned, happens here all the time. You have to use the very same system they use.

Blu

[Mr_Logic]

Since we have no written, well, anything, there is nothing to challenge with, surely?

[Blu]

Mr_Logic.

The antis will use dodgy stats, ignore the truth etc - so should we.

You do that mate and you can be proven/shown to be a liar, hows the press and Joe public going to react if you start bull$hitting and get found out for what it is, that's the last thing you want. The truth mate, always the truth, like I said the truth can't be defeated.

Since we have no written, well, anything, there is nothing to challenge with, surely?

Go read papers like the Scotsman and other Scottish papers, there's something in there at least once a week about it. Also write to any of the SNP government members and ask them about the SNP's stand on airguns, you get your answer and there's something in writing to challenge.

Friend, I've been doing this a long time now, in my time I've dealt with county prosecutors and Police chiefs who have been anti gun. If I got no joy then I kick it up to NRA legal and they deal with it. The last one I dealt with was a guy arrested for open carrying a pistol, the cops and that county prosecutor said it was illegal, fact of the matter was it isn't illegal because there is no law in Michigan which says it's illegal. I also presented to them a document from the Michigan State Police showing them it wasn't illegal to open carry in Michigan. They defeated themselves simply because they didn't know the law.



Blu

[Blu]

Guys, I just did a little research on the Scottish airgun thing, the SNP actually put forward a bill back in September, I'd say that was a bit more of a proposal now. Bills can be challenged can't they?

http://www.shootingtimes.co.uk/news/540 ... _bill.html

Blu

[Mr_Logic]

Blu, I am not talking about lies. I am talking about going on the offensive over other things - e.g. when licensing should have revoked a ticket, why are we not hearing that all over the place - police ineptitude - thus not saying 'evil guns'.

As to the legal challenge - the SNP as the ruling party in Scotland has the right to pass this law. On what basis would you challenge it? There is no constitution to compare it to, nor precedent, nor preceding law.

[Blu]

Mr_Logic,

As to the legal challenge - the SNP as the ruling party in Scotland has the right to pass this law. On what basis would you challenge it? There is no constitution to compare it to, nor precedent, nor preceding law.

How about challenging elected SMP's going against the will of the people, remember mate they work for you, it's not the other way around. You get a good enough legal team together and they would destroy this.

While Scotland may technically be a part of the United Kingdom, it operates almost as an entirely separate entity from England. And something that separate government is thinking about doing is instituting a licensing scheme for air guns. According to the BBC, this has been met with some resistance — to the tune of an 87% opposition.

From the BBC:

Under the proposed new scheme, anyone wanting to own an air gun would need to demonstrate they had a legitimate reason for doing so.

A total 87% of respondents rejected the idea – with some describing it as “draconian” and “heavy-handed”.

Point is mate, nobody is seriously challenging this, petitions don't work, sending emails doesn't work, if they even bother to read them they just file them under CS. We've seen in the past how much notice they take of petitions and emails, if they bother to answer it's always some BS stock answer.

You have to look for ways to challenge it. Nobody outside of the shooting fraternity is going to do it for you. One other thing, I wouldn't call yourself "shooters" over here it's "sportsmen and women". Very important that one, shooters to the uneducated conjures up images of hitmen and killers and such nonsense.

Look guys if any of you think I'm spouting crap here then say so, I won't be offended. Way I see it though, your sport is being taken from you piece by piece and I'd hate to see that happen. I'm just trying to give you folks some ideas to fight back with, Christ knows it's a never ending fight over here. You should see what we're up against, it's not just the government either. We have the media, film stars, private companies, The Brady Bunch, politicans at local State and Federal level and the government all anti gun trying to take our firearms.

They spout BS and produce made up stats, we counter with the truth and produce genuine stats, that's just one of the things we deal with, and so it goes on

Blu

[Mr_Logic]

Blu, this was in their manifesto and people voted them in. Again, on what legal basis can you challenge this? It's Britain; this is not a democracy!

[Gaz]

All it takes is a decent sized group with credible financial backing to threaten a legal challenge - and go ahead with that challenge once that fat prick Salmond and the other town hall nazis of the SNP pass the airgun ban.

[Blu]

Mr_Logic,

Blu, this was in their manifesto and people voted them in. Again, on what legal basis can you challenge this? It's Britain; this is not a democracy!

Read Gaz's post and there's your reply, it's what I've been saying all along. Laws can be challenged and laws can be struck down. How many people do you really think read the SNP manifesto before they voted, c'mon even if they do people only read the bits that pertains to them or the bits they think will make their life better.

Blu