Re: EU to propose banning semi auto "weapons"
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:17 am
This was posted on Firearms UK Facebook page yesterday, which is allegedly a submission regarding the directive by a UK FLD;
https://www.facebook.com/firearmsuk.org ... 9475343096
What is stated below allegedly comes from a UK police force's firearms licensing review meeting, we believe this to be a summary;
"The proposals include the following:
European Directive on Firearms
1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic weapons. To the UK this means anyone with an auto shotgun or .22RF semi is likely to lose them! The EU has already allocated funds for compensation.
2. Ban all “military looking” weapons. This is to allow easy identification of terrorist’s weapons. This could spread to include air weapons.
3. It has now been made public that the Paris murderers obtained legally de-activated
weapons which they then converted back to fully operating automatic weapons. There is to be urgent tightening up of all de-activation requirements and certification. It has been known by the police for some time how easy it is to reactivate some weapons
(e.g. replacing barrels) and new rules are being drawn up by the Home Office – these are being forced through very quickly.
4. The proposed new rules are going to involve drilling and welding to de-activate to ensure no parts can be re-used as an actual weapon. There is some confusion over re-certifying previously de-activated weapons and up for discussion is to licence all persons who hold de-activated examples so that they are – in theory – traceable and
the police know where they all are.
5. There are, apparently, massive quantities of de-activated weapons in existence. It is probable these will all require re-certifying, which is a massive undertaking which the police are very concerned about manpower to actually inspect and licence them.
Undertaking the engineering work to properly de-activate all of them before they are certificated as complying with any new law is a massive and costly exercise. The usual route is to obtain the certificates via the two Proof Houses in the UK.
6. The knock-on effects are likely to be massive delays in issuing normal firearm and shotgun licences and renewals – which are not reaching the police targets anyway."
If the compensation really already has been set aside i find this pretty worrying as A/ It removes a big leverage point for us B/ The amount of compensation has already been determined which means each gun won't in individually assessed/paid for at its actual commercial value.
I've got to laugh at no.2 though, i've lost count of the number of times i've been walking through the Metrocentre with my VZ58 on my back and a copper has come over to ask me if i'm a terrorist or not(!) I've got the office Christmas party in Newcastle city centre on Friday, i was planning on taking my MP5, you know, as all us shooters often strutt about in public places with our guns, but now i might think twice just in case someone thinks i'm a terrorist, especially since i might be wearing a long beard and red hat....
https://www.facebook.com/firearmsuk.org ... 9475343096
What is stated below allegedly comes from a UK police force's firearms licensing review meeting, we believe this to be a summary;
"The proposals include the following:
European Directive on Firearms
1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic weapons. To the UK this means anyone with an auto shotgun or .22RF semi is likely to lose them! The EU has already allocated funds for compensation.
2. Ban all “military looking” weapons. This is to allow easy identification of terrorist’s weapons. This could spread to include air weapons.
3. It has now been made public that the Paris murderers obtained legally de-activated
weapons which they then converted back to fully operating automatic weapons. There is to be urgent tightening up of all de-activation requirements and certification. It has been known by the police for some time how easy it is to reactivate some weapons
(e.g. replacing barrels) and new rules are being drawn up by the Home Office – these are being forced through very quickly.
4. The proposed new rules are going to involve drilling and welding to de-activate to ensure no parts can be re-used as an actual weapon. There is some confusion over re-certifying previously de-activated weapons and up for discussion is to licence all persons who hold de-activated examples so that they are – in theory – traceable and
the police know where they all are.
5. There are, apparently, massive quantities of de-activated weapons in existence. It is probable these will all require re-certifying, which is a massive undertaking which the police are very concerned about manpower to actually inspect and licence them.
Undertaking the engineering work to properly de-activate all of them before they are certificated as complying with any new law is a massive and costly exercise. The usual route is to obtain the certificates via the two Proof Houses in the UK.
6. The knock-on effects are likely to be massive delays in issuing normal firearm and shotgun licences and renewals – which are not reaching the police targets anyway."
If the compensation really already has been set aside i find this pretty worrying as A/ It removes a big leverage point for us B/ The amount of compensation has already been determined which means each gun won't in individually assessed/paid for at its actual commercial value.
I've got to laugh at no.2 though, i've lost count of the number of times i've been walking through the Metrocentre with my VZ58 on my back and a copper has come over to ask me if i'm a terrorist or not(!) I've got the office Christmas party in Newcastle city centre on Friday, i was planning on taking my MP5, you know, as all us shooters often strutt about in public places with our guns, but now i might think twice just in case someone thinks i'm a terrorist, especially since i might be wearing a long beard and red hat....
